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RE: possible VMS v5.5 fix (was RE: 5.8.0 release candidate status)

From:
Henry A. Frystak - System Manager
Date:
June 13, 2002 16:01
Subject:
RE: possible VMS v5.5 fix (was RE: 5.8.0 release candidate status)
Message ID:
00A0F694.EC026F52.41@tesla.njit.edu
>From:	MX%"craigberry@mac.com"  "Craig A. Berry" 13-JUN-2002 16:10:47.24
>To:	MX%"syshaf@tesla.njit.edu"
>CC:	MX%"vmsperl@perl.org"
>Subj:	RE: possible VMS v5.5 fix (was RE: 5.8.0 release candidate status)
>
>> However, I ran into another
>>problem further into the make cycle. The appropriate lines are included below:
>
>>CC/DECC /Include=[]/Standard=Relaxed_ANSI/Prefix=All/Obj=.obj /Define=("VERSION=""0.01""","XS_VERSION=""0.01""")/Include=([---])
>> /NoList  LANGINFO.c
>>              if ((s = nl_langinfo(code)))
>>    ...................^
>>%CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "nl_langinfo" is
>> implicitly declared as a function.
>>            At line number 25 in langinfo.xs.
>
>Sigh, nl_langinfo didn't become available until VMS 6.2, or so the
>version dependency tables in the C RTL manual tell me.  The following
>might do it.  Just use your favorite editor to remove the line
>preceded by a minus and then add in the lines preceded by pluses
>(don't forget to delete the plus signs):

O.K., I applied the patch to configure.com, did a MMS REALCLEAN, reran 
@configure, MMS, and the system is currently churning away at a new compile; this 
may take until later tonight. I'll report on this tomorrow. 

>>The first is an OpenVMS AXP V7.1-1H2 running on a Digital Personal WorkStation
>>(early and slower version of an XP900) with MultiNet V4.1 Rev A, DEC C V5.7-004,
>>and MMS V3.3. Upon the initial run, it had the same error in VMS.C that I had
>>on my VMS 5.5-2 system. Being reasonably intelligent, I tried the same patch
>>on this system and it allowed the make to complete. However, I came up with 8
>>test errors herein listed:
>>
>>t/io/fs..............................FAILED at test 31
>>t/op/stat............................FAILED at test 29
>>ext/Cwd/t/cwd........................FAILED at test 9
>>lib/AutoSplit........................FAILED at test 2
>>lib/ExtUtils/t/Command...............FAILED at test 10
>>lib/File/stat........................FAILED at test 18
>>lib/Net/hostent......................FAILED at test 5
>>t/pod/find...........................FAILED at test 2
>>
>>Failed 8 test scripts out of 628, 98.73% okay.
>
>OK, lib/Net/hostent is a known Multinet problem.  There is or soon
>will be an ECO from Process.  If you have time to get more verbose
>output from the others that would be great.  The test shell expects
>paths relative to the [.t] directory but you see them in your output
>relative to the main directory, so you need to run them like:
>
>$ @[.vms]test .exe "" -"v" [.io]fs.t
>
>and
>
>$ @[.vms]test .exe "" -"v" [-.ext.cwd.t]cwd.t
>
>etc.

O.K., here are the results of individual tests of the failures, except for 
lib/Net/hostent.

----For t/io/fs : 

LIBSYS$ @[.vms]test .exe "" -"v" [.io]fs.t
%DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]PERL.;1 deleted (9 blocks)
%COPY-S-COPIED, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1]PERL.EXE;1 copied to 
  SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]PERL.;1 (6 blocks)
%DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]VMSPIPE.COM;1 deleted (9 blocks)
%COPY-S-COPIED, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1]VMSPIPE.COM;1 copied to 
  SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]VMSPIPE.COM;1 (3 blocks)

13-JUN-2002 17:51:44.75   User: SYSHAF           Process ID:   000146CB
                          Node: LIBSYS           Process name: "_RTA4:"

Accounting information:
 Buffered I/O count:       315  Peak working set size:       3568
 Direct I/O count:         141  Peak virtual size:         167632
 Page faults:             1438  Mounted volumes:                0
 Images activated:          14
 Elapsed CPU time:          0 00:00:00.37
 Connect time:              0 00:00:35.31
1..32
ok 1 - umask
ok 2 # skip: no link
ok 3 # skip: no link
ok 4 # skip: no link
ok 5 # skip: no link
ok 6 - chmod succeeding
ok 7 # skip: no link
ok 8 # skip: no link
ok 9 # skip: no link
ok 10 # skip: no link
ok 11 # skip: no link
ok 12 # skip: no link
ok 13 # skip: no link
ok 14 - rename a b
ok 15 - ino of renamed file a should be undef
ok 16 - utime
ok 17 - non-zero inode num
# atime - 500000001  mtime - 500000001  delta - 1
ok 18 - atime
ok 19 - mtime
ok 20 - unlink b
ok 21 - ino of unlinked file b should be undef
ok 22 # skip: Win32/Netware specific test
ok 23 # skip: Win32/Netware specific test
ok 24 - truncation to five bytes
ok 25 - truncation to zero bytes
ok 26 - fh resize to 200
ok 27 - fh resize to 200 working (filename check)
ok 28 - fh resize to zero
ok 29 - fh resize to zero working (filename check)
ok 30 - rename working
not ok 31 - rename on directories
t/IO/FS....FAILED at test 31
Failed 1 test script out of 1, 0.00% okay.
### Since not all tests were successful, you may want to run some of
### them individually and examine any diagnostic messages they produce.
### See the INSTALL document's section on "make test".
u=1.21  s=0  cu=0  cs=0  scripts=1  tests=32

13-JUN-2002 17:51:49.55   User: SYSHAF           Process ID:   000146CB
                          Node: LIBSYS           Process name: "_RTA4:"

Accounting information:
 Buffered I/O count:      1100  Peak working set size:       7952
 Direct I/O count:         529  Peak virtual size:         172336
 Page faults:             1896  Mounted volumes:                0
 Images activated:          16
 Elapsed CPU time:          0 00:00:01.25
 Connect time:              0 00:00:40.12
%SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort

----For t/op/stat : 

LIBSYS$ @[.vms]test .exe "" -"v" [.op]stat.t
%DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]PERL.;1 deleted (9 blocks)
%COPY-S-COPIED, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1]PERL.EXE;1 copied to 
  SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]PERL.;1 (6 blocks)
%DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]VMSPIPE.COM;1 deleted (9 blocks)
%COPY-S-COPIED, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1]VMSPIPE.COM;1 copied to 
  SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]VMSPIPE.COM;1 (3 blocks)

13-JUN-2002 17:54:07.33   User: SYSHAF           Process ID:   00014AD2
                          Node: LIBSYS           Process name: "_RTA4:"

Accounting information:
 Buffered I/O count:       315  Peak working set size:       3552
 Direct I/O count:         133  Peak virtual size:         167632
 Page faults:             1422  Mounted volumes:                0
 Images activated:          14
 Elapsed CPU time:          0 00:00:00.39
 Connect time:              0 00:01:04.66
1..73
ok 1 # skip: No link count
ok 2 - mtime
ok 3 - mtime == ctime
ok 4 # skip: link() unimplemented
ok 5 # skip: link() unimplemented
ok 6 # skip: link() unimplemented
ok 7 # skip: link() unimplemented
ok 8 # skip: link() unimplemented
ok 9 # skip: link() unimplemented
ok 10 - -z on empty file
ok 11 -    and -s
ok 12 - -z on non-empty file
ok 13 -    and -s
ok 14 - chmod 0000
ok 15 # skip: -r, -w and -x have different meanings on VMS
ok 16 # skip: -r, -w and -x have different meanings on VMS
ok 17 # skip: -r, -w and -x have different meanings on VMS
ok 18 - chmod 0700
ok 19 -    -r
ok 20 -    -w
ok 21 -    -x
ok 22 -    -f
ok 23 -    !-d
ok 24 - -d cwd
ok 25 - !-f cwd
ok 26 # skip: symlink not implemented
ok 27 # skip: symlink not implemented
ok 28 # skip: symlink not implemented
not ok 29 - -o
t/OP/STAT....FAILED at test 29
Failed 1 test script out of 1, 0.00% okay.
### Since not all tests were successful, you may want to run some of
### them individually and examine any diagnostic messages they produce.
### See the INSTALL document's section on "make test".
u=1.19  s=0  cu=0  cs=0  scripts=1  tests=73

13-JUN-2002 17:54:11.78   User: SYSHAF           Process ID:   00014AD2
                          Node: LIBSYS           Process name: "_RTA4:"

Accounting information:
 Buffered I/O count:      1126  Peak working set size:       7856
 Direct I/O count:         466  Peak virtual size:         172336
 Page faults:             1900  Mounted volumes:                0
 Images activated:          16
 Elapsed CPU time:          0 00:00:01.22
 Connect time:              0 00:01:09.11
%SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort

----For ext/Cwd/t/cwd : 

LIBSYS$ @[.vms]test .exe "" -"v" [-.ext.cwd.t]cwd.t
%DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]PERL.;1 deleted (9 blocks)
%COPY-S-COPIED, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1]PERL.EXE;1 copied to 
  SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]PERL.;1 (6 blocks)
%DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]VMSPIPE.COM;1 deleted (9 blocks)
%COPY-S-COPIED, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1]VMSPIPE.COM;1 copied to 
  SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]VMSPIPE.COM;1 (3 blocks)

13-JUN-2002 17:55:45.07   User: SYSHAF           Process ID:   000146D4
                          Node: LIBSYS           Process name: "_RTA4:"

Accounting information:
 Buffered I/O count:       315  Peak working set size:       4096
 Direct I/O count:         133  Peak virtual size:         167632
 Page faults:             1389  Mounted volumes:                0
 Images activated:          14
 Elapsed CPU time:          0 00:00:00.39
 Connect time:              0 00:00:25.70
1..16
ok 1 - main->can(...)
ok 2 - chdir() not exported by default
ok 3 -   nor abs_path()
ok 4 -   nor fast_abs_path()
# native pwd = 'SHOW DEFAULT'
ok 5 - cwd()
ok 6 - getcwd()
ok 7 - fastcwd()
ok 8 - fastgetcwd()
mkdir _ptrslt_/_path_/_to_/_a_/_dir_: no such file or directory at [-.ext.cwd.t]cwd.t line 89
# Looks like you planned 16 tests but only ran 8.
# Looks like your test died just after 8.
EXT/CWD/T/CWD....FAILED at test 9
Failed 1 test script out of 1, 0.00% okay.
### Since not all tests were successful, you may want to run some of
### them individually and examine any diagnostic messages they produce.
### See the INSTALL document's section on "make test".
u=1.19  s=0  cu=0  cs=0  scripts=1  tests=16

13-JUN-2002 17:55:47.31   User: SYSHAF           Process ID:   000146D4
                          Node: LIBSYS           Process name: "_RTA4:"

Accounting information:
 Buffered I/O count:      1015  Peak working set size:       7632
 Direct I/O count:         471  Peak virtual size:         172336
 Page faults:             1951  Mounted volumes:                0
 Images activated:          16
 Elapsed CPU time:          0 00:00:01.22
 Connect time:              0 00:00:27.95
%SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort

----For lib/Autosplit : 

LIBSYS$ @[.vms]test .exe "" -"v" [-.lib]AutoSplit.t
%DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]PERL.;1 deleted (9 blocks)
%COPY-S-COPIED, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1]PERL.EXE;1 copied to 
  SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]PERL.;1 (6 blocks)
%DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]VMSPIPE.COM;1 deleted (9 blocks)
%COPY-S-COPIED, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1]VMSPIPE.COM;1 copied to 
  SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]VMSPIPE.COM;1 (3 blocks)

13-JUN-2002 17:57:40.94   User: SYSHAF           Process ID:   00014AD9
                          Node: LIBSYS           Process name: "_RTA4:"

Accounting information:
 Buffered I/O count:       315  Peak working set size:       3904
 Direct I/O count:         133  Peak virtual size:         167632
 Page faults:             1398  Mounted volumes:                0
 Images activated:          14
 Elapsed CPU time:          0 00:00:00.39
 Connect time:              0 00:00:46.23
1..58
ok 1 - AutoSplit loaded
# command: $75$dka0:[syssoft.perl.perl5_8_0_rc1.t]perl.;1 "-I../lib" -e "use 
  AutoSplit; autosplit (qw([.auto-80090]A0_80090splittest.pm auto-80090/auto))"
mkdir auto-80090/auto/Yet/Another/AutoSplit/: no such file or directory at 
  ../lib/AutoSplit.pm line 328
Exit status 1024 from running: >>$75$dka0:[syssoft.perl.perl5_8_0_rc1.t]perl.;1 
  "-I../lib" -e "use AutoSplit; autosplit (qw([.auto-80090]A0_80090splittest.pm 
  auto-80090/auto))"<< at [-.lib]autosplit.t line 71.
not ok 2 - Output from autosplit()ing tests from the end of the AutoSplit module.
LIB/AUTOSPLIT....FAILED at test 2
Failed 1 test script out of 1, 0.00% okay.
### Since not all tests were successful, you may want to run some of
### them individually and examine any diagnostic messages they produce.
### See the INSTALL document's section on "make test".
u=1.19  s=0  cu=0  cs=0  scripts=1  tests=58

13-JUN-2002 17:57:47.33   User: SYSHAF           Process ID:   00014AD9
                          Node: LIBSYS           Process name: "_RTA4:"

Accounting information:
 Buffered I/O count:      1017  Peak working set size:       7632
 Direct I/O count:         464  Peak virtual size:         172336
 Page faults:             1999  Mounted volumes:                0
 Images activated:          16
 Elapsed CPU time:          0 00:00:01.22
 Connect time:              0 00:00:52.61
%SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort

----For lib/ExtUtils/t/Command : 

LIBSYS$ @[.vms]test .exe "" -"v" [-.lib.ExtUtils.t]Command.t
%DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]PERL.;1 deleted (9 blocks)
%COPY-S-COPIED, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1]PERL.EXE;1 copied to 
  SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]PERL.;1 (6 blocks)
%DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]VMSPIPE.COM;1 deleted (9 blocks)
%COPY-S-COPIED, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1]VMSPIPE.COM;1 copied to 
  SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]VMSPIPE.COM;1 (3 blocks)

13-JUN-2002 17:59:22.39   User: SYSHAF           Process ID:   000134DC
                          Node: LIBSYS           Process name: "_RTA4:"

Accounting information:
 Buffered I/O count:       315  Peak working set size:       3552
 Direct I/O count:         132  Peak virtual size:         167632
 Page faults:             1480  Mounted volumes:                0
 Images activated:          14
 Elapsed CPU time:          0 00:00:00.44
 Connect time:              0 00:01:01.46
1..24
ok 1 - use ExtUtils::Command;
ok 2 - found one file
ok 3 - expanded wildcard ? successfully
ok 4 - expanded wildcard * successfully
ok 5 - concatenation worked
ok 6 - testing non-existent file
ok 7 - testing non-existent file
ok 8 - now creating that file
ok 9 - created!
not ok 10 - checking modify time stamp
LIB/EXTUTILS/T/COMMAND....FAILED at test 10
Failed 1 test script out of 1, 0.00% okay.
### Since not all tests were successful, you may want to run some of
### them individually and examine any diagnostic messages they produce.
### See the INSTALL document's section on "make test".
u=1.22  s=0  cu=0  cs=0  scripts=1  tests=24

13-JUN-2002 17:59:27.77   User: SYSHAF           Process ID:   000134DC
                          Node: LIBSYS           Process name: "_RTA4:"

Accounting information:
 Buffered I/O count:      1030  Peak working set size:       7600
 Direct I/O count:         467  Peak virtual size:         172336
 Page faults:             2211  Mounted volumes:                0
 Images activated:          16
 Elapsed CPU time:          0 00:00:01.26
 Connect time:              0 00:01:06.84
%SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort

----For lib/File/stat : 

LIBSYS$ @[.vms]test .exe "" -"v" [-.lib.File]stat.t
%DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]PERL.;1 deleted (9 blocks)
%COPY-S-COPIED, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1]PERL.EXE;1 copied to 
  SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]PERL.;1 (6 blocks)
%DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]VMSPIPE.COM;1 deleted (9 blocks)
%COPY-S-COPIED, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1]VMSPIPE.COM;1 copied to 
  SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]VMSPIPE.COM;1 (3 blocks)

13-JUN-2002 18:00:55.33   User: SYSHAF           Process ID:   00014ADE
                          Node: LIBSYS           Process name: "_RTA4:"

Accounting information:
 Buffered I/O count:       315  Peak working set size:       2928
 Direct I/O count:         132  Peak virtual size:         167632
 Page faults:             1518  Mounted volumes:                0
 Images activated:          14
 Elapsed CPU time:          0 00:00:00.38
 Connect time:              0 00:00:54.98
1..19
ok 1 - use File::stat;
ok 2 - should build a stat object
ok 3 - device number in position 0
ok 4 - inode number in position 1
ok 5 - file mode in position 2
ok 6 - number of links in position 3
ok 7 - owner uid in position 4
ok 8 - group id in position 5
ok 9 - device identifier in position 6
ok 10 - file size in position 7
ok 11 - last access time in position 8
ok 12 - last modify time in position 9
ok 13 - change time in position 10
ok 14 - IO block size in position 11
ok 15 - number of blocks in position 12
ok 16 - ... should be able to find filehandle
ok 17 - ... and filehandle in another package
not ok 18 - ... and must match normal stat
LIB/FILE/STAT....FAILED at test 18
Failed 1 test script out of 1, 0.00% okay.
### Since not all tests were successful, you may want to run some of
### them individually and examine any diagnostic messages they produce.
### See the INSTALL document's section on "make test".
u=1.14  s=0  cu=0  cs=0  scripts=1  tests=19

13-JUN-2002 18:00:57.04   User: SYSHAF           Process ID:   00014ADE
                          Node: LIBSYS           Process name: "_RTA4:"

Accounting information:
 Buffered I/O count:      1040  Peak working set size:       7984
 Direct I/O count:         463  Peak virtual size:         172336
 Page faults:             1958  Mounted volumes:                0
 Images activated:          16
 Elapsed CPU time:          0 00:00:01.17
 Connect time:              0 00:00:56.68
%SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort

----For t/pod/find : 

LIBSYS$ @[.vms]test .exe "" -"v" [-.t.pod]find.t
%DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]PERL.;1 deleted (9 blocks)
%COPY-S-COPIED, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1]PERL.EXE;1 copied to 
  SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]PERL.;1 (6 blocks)
%DELETE-I-FILDEL, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]VMSPIPE.COM;1 deleted (9 blocks)
%COPY-S-COPIED, SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1]VMSPIPE.COM;1 copied to 
  SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYSSOFT.PERL.PERL5_8_0_RC1.T]VMSPIPE.COM;1 (3 blocks)

13-JUN-2002 18:02:17.19   User: SYSHAF           Process ID:   00012CE0
                          Node: LIBSYS           Process name: "_RTA4:"

Accounting information:
 Buffered I/O count:       315  Peak working set size:       3936
 Direct I/O count:         133  Peak virtual size:         167632
 Page faults:             1305  Mounted volumes:                0
 Images activated:          14
 Elapsed CPU time:          0 00:00:00.39
 Connect time:              0 00:00:34.77
1..4
ok 1
### searching pod/testpods/lib/
not ok 2
T/POD/FIND....FAILED at test 2
Failed 1 test script out of 1, 0.00% okay.
### Since not all tests were successful, you may want to run some of
### them individually and examine any diagnostic messages they produce.
### See the INSTALL document's section on "make test".
u=1.11  s=0  cu=0  cs=0  scripts=1  tests=4

13-JUN-2002 18:02:19.44   User: SYSHAF           Process ID:   00012CE0
                          Node: LIBSYS           Process name: "_RTA4:"

Accounting information:
 Buffered I/O count:       984  Peak working set size:       7600
 Direct I/O count:         466  Peak virtual size:         172336
 Page faults:             2021  Mounted volumes:                0
 Images activated:          16
 Elapsed CPU time:          0 00:00:01.14
 Connect time:              0 00:00:37.02
%SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort

>I don't see any failures from your 7.2-1 system that I don't also see
>in your 7.1-1H2 system, so there's no need to look at that
>separately.  Funny, since I'm getting all green lights on my 7.2-1
>and 7.3 systems.

Since I included all the 7.1-1H2 failures, I won't duplicate on 7.2-1. 
It's possible that it may be VMS patch related; I believe both may be 
behind in those (so much to do, so little time or help). 
 
Henry Frystak                           New Jersey Institute of Technology
System Administrator                    University Information Services
VAX/VMS USENET Newsmanager              University Heights
TESLA::SYSHAF                           Newark, New Jersey   07102
syshaf@tesla.njit.edu                   
 



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