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January 13, 2004 02:38
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This week's summary
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The Perl 6 Summary for the week ending 20040111
    It's Monday. People have been talking about Perl 6, Parrot and the
    European Union Constitution. Let's find out what they've been saying
    about Parrot first shall we?

  Threads
    Threads were discussed some more. Dan's deadline is coming up soon,
    hopefully soon after that discussion will move from Holy Skirmishes
    about architecture and on to meaningful discussions of a real
    implementation.

    Hmm... that came out rather more dismissive than I intended.

  Continuation problems
    Luke Palmer found a problem with Parrot's continuations. A continuation
    is supposed to encapsulate the interpreter's control state, in other
    words the position of the program counter and the state of the register
    stacks, and a pointer to the previous continuation. However, it turns
    out that a Parrot continuation just contains the program counter and a
    pointer to the previous continuation. There was some discussion of why
    this was so (Melvin Smith seemed to claim that it was both his fault and
    not his fault).

    Everyone agreed that this needed to be fixed pretty promptly and it
    wasn't long before Luke posted a patch.

    http://tinyurl.com/2jzv2

    http://tinyurl.com/3for3

  A problem with threads
    In a change from the discussions of thread philosophy, Jeff Clites
    posted about a problem he was having with Parrot's current threads
    implementation which was causing problems when trying to join multiple
    threads. Between them, Jeff and Leo Tötsch tracked down a possible cause
    of the problem and Jeff offered up a patch which Leo applied.

    http://tinyurl.com/yssjs

  The PPC JIT gets fixed
    Jeff Clites also posted a patch which cleans up the last problems with
    the JIT on PPC. Leo applied it. Us Apple users cheered.

    http://tinyurl.com/2pyft

  Luke Palmer gets his act together
    Luke Palmer decided to get his act together (given the level of his
    contribution to the Perl 6 lists so far, I'm almost scared to find out
    what he's going to be like now...) and finish up his 'Priority DOD'
    rethink of the Garbage Collector. I confess I'm not really qualified to
    discuss what's different about it, beyond the claim of a 10,000% speed
    up when there were no 'eager' PMCs about (things that need immediate
    cleanup on scope exit; the canonical example being a Perlish file
    handle) and only a 5% slowdown when there were.

    Luke and Leo discussed the patch a bit before Leo applied it.

    http://tinyurl.com/2afyc

    http://tinyurl.com/235ak -- Luke explains the patch

  IMCC speed issues
    Dan posted some timings he'd made of IMCC compiling some large subs,
    which were not the most wonderful timings I've ever seen. A 41 minute
    compile isn't generally what one wishes to see. Melvin Smith had a few
    ideas about what was causing it, as did Leo (it seems that IMCC's
    register allocation is very slow in the presence of spilling and Live
    analysis increases with the product of the number of lines and variables
    in a segment. Leo recommended redoing the sub to reduce the number of
    (and avoid long lived) PIR variables (ie. registers) by using lexicals
    or globals instead.

    http://tinyurl.com/2wb6l

  References to hash elements
    Arthur "Ponie" Bergman had some questions about how references to hash
    elements would be done. Consider the following Perl code:

       my %hash;
       $foo = \$hash{key};

       $$foo = "bar";

       print $hash{key}; # Prints "bar"

    Arthur wondered how this could be made to work with the current vtable
    setup, specifically in the presence of tying. Simon Cozens thought that
    there should be a special HashElement PMC which would handle fetching
    the actual value from the hash (or writing it back to the hash) as
    appropriate. Dan agreed with him, so it looks like this might be the way
    forward.

    http://tinyurl.com/2hop4

  Instantiation?
    Michal Wallace asked how to instantiate objects from Parrot. Luke Palmer
    supplied the answer, but pointed out that, at present, classes can only
    have integer attributes. It turns out that, for Michal's purposes, he
    can probably get by with using properties instead, so that's all right.

    Stéphane Payrard did the decent thing and implemented the other
    attribute types. He even wrote tests.

    http://tinyurl.com/3dul5

    http://tinyurl.com/ywgvo

  Creating 'proper' interpreters in Parrot
    Simon Cozens wondered what was left to do to allow parrot to be embedded
    in an interpreter and have PIR fed directly to it. Leo pointed him at
    his own YAL.

    http://tinyurl.com/2smrp

    http://toetsch.at/yal/ -- Yet Another Language

  "yield" op?
    Michal Wallace was uncomfortable with the workings of Parrot Coroutines
    and posted a sample of parrot code which demonstrated why. Leo promised
    to fix it once he'd applied Luke's Continuations patch.

    http://tinyurl.com/2e3d8

  Congratulations Dan
    Melvin Smith offered his congratulations to Dan for the first commercial
    use of Parrot. I think I can safely say we all echo those
    congratulations.

    http://tinyurl.com/3a999

Meanwhile in perl6-language
  Roles and Mix-ins
    Discussion of roles as mix-ins kicked off again after the Christmas
    break. The canonical "Dog::bark" vs. "Tree::bark" problem was discussed.

    http://tinyurl.com/32wzh

  The European Union Constitution
    For reasons that still escape me various Americans paraded their
    ignorance about the putative constitution of a loose union of sovereign
    states.

  Perl 6 Story Cards
    In last week's summary I mentioned the Perl 6 Stories Kwiki that Allison
    and chromatic set up some months ago and suggested that people wanting
    to write tests and stories for the new language take a look at it. It
    seems they did, and the Wiki's seen a good deal of activity. Check it
    out if you're interested in helping with the project.

    p6stories.kwiki.org

  A modest question
    Austin Hastings asked the design team why they were fascinated with
    Traits (which will be called Roles in Perl 6). He'd read the original
    paper and was unimpressed with the gains that were made by using them.

    The awkwardly cased chromatic opened the case for Roles by pointing out
    that Roles allow for finer grained naming of chunks of functionality and
    code reuse. I must say I agree; I'm always keen on opportunities to name
    something.

    http://tinyurl.com/2ld4x

Announcement
    Iain "Spoon" Truskett was not a prolific contributor to the Perl 6
    mailing lists. He was, however, an important contributor to these
    summaries every week; he was the maintainer of WWW::Shorten, the module
    that I use to shorten the URLs on the version of the summary that goes
    out to perl6-announce.

    He died from a sudden cardiac arrest on the 29th of December. He was 24.
    He will be missed. This summary is dedicated to his memory.

    http://iain.truskett.id.au/ -- Iain's website


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