We seem to have gotten away from the subject at hand (what jwz, who doesn't like to use Perl, doesn't like about Java, and how those Java deficiencies will make Perl more likeable to others who don't like to use Perl, either) to peripheral, unimportant, non-topical things... like Perl 6 development and internals and other stuff that noone on these lists gives a hoot about. :-) (Watch your distro and subjects... you're confusing my procmind.) -- Bryan C. Warnock bwarnock@(gtemail.net|capita.com)