On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 09:04:23 +0200 Alexander Hartmaier <alex.hartmaier@gmail.com> wrote: > I really wonder that I've never read a blog post or mailing list > thread about the lack in exception handling in Perl 5. It's my > biggest pain point with Perl 5 and I'd love to help to improve the > situation! Well-volunteered :) If you want to assist, probably the first main question that needs answering is working out what the programmer-visible API on these things ought to be. While it is initially tempting to suggest that `catch` would expose core-thrown exceptions as objects, there is already a problem here. In the past 20-odd years, the $@ variable (and more recently catch) have always exposed core-thrown exceptions as plain strings; anything that appears as an object must have been some user-thrown object: use builtin 'blessed'; try { maybe_call_a_func(); } catch ($e) { if(blessed $e) { warn "Caught a user-defined exception of type " . (blessed $e); } else { warn "Caught a plain stringy exception"; } } What should we do here? 1) Throw objects of some core-defined type, so `ref` and `blessed` are now true on these things, meaning they can be distinguished - including by some sort of `isa` test as might someday be added to `catch`, but thus breaking all existing code which inspects $@ or $e. 2) Throw plain strings that have some other, new way to query some hidden "error type" information stored within them. Maybe lets invent some new `builtin` funcs and imagine a hypothetical future use builtin 'extype'; ... catch($e) { my $t = extype $e; if($t eq "SOMETHING") { ... } elsif ... } Here the model is that $@ or catch would expose "exception values"; things that look and feel like plain strings (and so not upsetting `ref` or `blessed`, etc...) but nevertheless have extra information about the exception stored inside them. There's also then temptation to add other information: my $errno = exerrno $e; # $!, like ENOENT, EACCESS, ... my @callers = excallers $e; # each value looking like the result # of caller() etc... Once we have an `extype` that can query on the type string(?) or other information stored inside an error value, it becomes tempting to try to get `try`/`catch` in on the action as well: try { ... } catch($e extype X::ENOENT) { warn "File missing" } catch($e extype X::EACCESS) { warn "Access not permitted" } ... This is partly the reason why `try`/`catch` syntax is still marked experimental. I still want to save room to add things like this. The Syntax::Keyword::Try CPAN module already permits `catch` blocks conditional on object type or stringy regexp match (the latter simply because of core's existing message strings): try { ... } catch($e isa X::SomeExceptionClass) { ... } catch($e =~ m/^Can't call method ".*" on an undefined value at /) { ... } It'd be great to have something better than these really fragile string matches here. 0) Do nothing and leave the situation as it is. Currently, perl core has taken option 0. I want to change this. I don't like option 1 because of all the breakage it causes. I think option 2 could work but it needs a lot more careful design work, thinking, (pre)RFCs writing, etc... Do you want to help with that? -- Paul "LeoNerd" Evans leonerd@leonerd.org.uk | https://metacpan.org/author/PEVANS http://www.leonerd.org.uk/ | https://www.tindie.com/stores/leonerd/Thread Previous | Thread Next