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Craig A. Berry
December 10, 2021 20:49
Re: OpenSSL alternative support WAS Re: Pre-RFC: support httpsout-of-the-box
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On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 10:45 AM Tomasz Konojacki <> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 10:37:19 +0000
> Nicholas Clark <> wrote:

> > other question was
> >
> > *) for bootstrapping how many (well, few) certificates do we need to ship?

Is it any easier to ship a certificate file with one certificate
rather than 100?  I'm no expert but I believe root certs typically
have many-year expiration lifecycles, much longer than the specific
domain certs created from them, so there could be advantages to using
a standard bundle of root certs even for bootstrapping purposes.
Specifically, if we ship Perl with one and only one cert for
and it happens to expire two weeks after a Perl release ships, how
does that one cert get updated before expiration?  Root certs do
eventually expire and revocations are always possible, but
unpleasantness that is rare is preferable to unpleasantness that is
more frequent.

Also, if we include a cert file that only has one certificate in it
because that's all we need for bootstrapping, doesn't that
potentially break other uses of the same toolchain
(Net::SSLeay/IO::Socket::SSL), such as folks scraping random parts of
the web or whatever?  Or we have to use a differently-named cert file
for bootstrapping and make the tools find it.

> >    and how often do these change?

Looks like every month or two here:


although that may just be how often curl keeps up and not how often
they actually change.

> Mozilla::CA is the module that provides SSL certificates. Unfortunately
> it's almost always outdated so ideally we should get co-maint on it and
> automate its updates.

It certainly looks automatable as it already has a script to produce a
new release when the cacert.pem file changes.  How does the end user
get the updated version, though?  Would have to always update
Mozilla::CA even if it's not in the dependency chain of whatever is
being installed?

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