Hi all, Following up our recent "Namespaces" chat, I'd like to get the ball rolling on the subject of the builtin functions namespace idea. I propose to write an RFC to outline the overall mechanism, and give an *initial* list of functions to include in it. I say initial, because the entire point of the mechanism is that's where we'll be adding any of the "simple, acts like a function" things in future, so this very much doesn't need to be a full complete list; just a few bits and pieces to get us started. To that end I am looking for answers to such questions as: * What should it be called? Votes on: use functions 'abc', 'xyz', ...; use function ...; # because function::abc reads nicer use builtins ... use builtin ... use std ... This name would have to be well-behaved as a regular CPAN module, because the module needs to be dual-life, available to install from CPAN so older perls can still use the functions it contains. I therefore feel it should be a single toplevel name, and all-lowercase. I have no strong thoughts about singular vs. plural as a name. * What *initial* set of functions to put in it? [again see comment above]. So far I'm thinking: trimmed($str) # which started this whole discussion off refaddr($ref), reftype($ref), etc... # from Scalar::Util getcwd() # Seriously, because currently we have one in Internals:: of all places, and that really needs to disappear. * Any other important considerations we've missed Try to keep comments brief - remember this is a *pre*RFC chat of "should we write this RFC at all?", rather than fine-tuning inner details of the idea. That can be handled separately as comments on the actual RFC as it gets written. Also try to avoid comments of "please add ${my pet favourite function}" - as I said this is just an initial list of function names to get the mechanism itself in place. Once we have something, we can take ideas on more functions on a case-by-case basis. -- Paul "LeoNerd" Evans leonerd@leonerd.org.uk | https://metacpan.org/author/PEVANS http://www.leonerd.org.uk/ | https://www.tindie.com/stores/leonerd/Thread Next