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Paul Johnson
August 15, 2021 14:00
Re: RFC? pre-RFC? Return of the Jedi^W err/dor
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On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 05:27:16PM +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Aug 2021 10:41:58 -0400, James E Keenan <>
> wrote:
> > Since the last time this came up was several years ago, would it be
> > possible to provide a one-paragraph explanation for the rationale for
> > the feature?
> Consistency.  Essentially, when // was introduced, the low-level
> operator was forgotten.
> In my life as perl user I have never ever needed or used xor, but I
> have used err while it was defined many many times. It is about making
> easy (but ugly) things even easier and more consistent.
> Low-level precedence operators enable coders to use less line noise.
>   foreach my $value (get_values ($foo)) {
>       my $v = convert_value ($value) dor next; # "" and 0 are ok
>       # ...
>       }

I will suggest to anyone who cares to listen that low-level operators
should only be used for flow control and high-level operators should
only be used in conditions.  Not having a low-level // operator breaks
this consistency.

In the example above // may safely be used, but only because of the
parentheses around $value.

In the analogous real-world example which caused me to publicly lament
the lack of this feature convert_value returned either undef or a scalar
blessed into a class which overloaded "" in a relatively expensive
fashion.  This meant that

    my $v = convert_value ($value) or next;

whilst functionally correct, was expensive in the case of a
true value being returned and the "or" needed to be changed to //
despite the function never returning any other false value.  I would
assume that dor would not call the stringification method on the object.

(Yes, the class should probably overload bool, or turn off fallback, or
..., but that's not the point here.)

So the arguments for a low-level // operator are basically the same as
the arguments for any other low-level operator.  Plus consistency.

Paul Johnson -

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