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mah.kitteh via perl5-porters
June 14, 2021 08:39
Re: Creating an RFC process for Perl
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On Monday, June 14th, 2021 at 1:53 AM, Nicholas Clark <> wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 07:12:51AM +0000, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> > Thank you for wasting my time.

> My statement here was inappropriate. It's not a good example from anyone,
> let alone someone supposed to be showing leadership. Brett replied privately
> to me, politely and without any sarcasm or other failings that I made in
> public. I commend him on keeping a cooler head under pressure than I do.
> Everyone makes mistakes. (Clearly I just demonstrated this)
> I don't want people to think that mistakes, unpopular opinions, or anything
> else is not tolerated, and hence be afraid to contribute. That would be the
> death of discussion, and the resulting groupthink would be ultimately kill
> Perl.

Thank you. I must admit, my reply to you was not quite devoid of sarcasm. You're
welcome to share it. I appreciate the noble characterization, though.

> However there are four or five individuals who seem to have more confidence
> in their opinions than their reasoning should warrant, and often generate a
> large amount of list traffic with a lower density of useful input. These
> messages take considerable time and patience to meaningfully respond to. At
> times, about 1% of the subscriber base can generate 10% of the list volume,
> which spreads the actionable content very thin. That this keeps happening
> gets extremely frustrating.

This is a "well know" phenomenon. It's related to the 80/20 rule. Not sure what
to suggest be done about it.

Anyway, thank you for the email. No harm no foul. I am quite excited about the
RFC program and want to see it get firmly established. Thanks for all you do.


> To be clear - I'm not saying that anyone's contribution is worthless. Far
> from it - I know that several individuals who at times frustrate myself and
> others have also had useful insights that no-one else has had, or reported
> bugs where the reaction was "oops, that's not good, we had better fix that
> quickly". When names are mentioned in private conversations, I make sure
> that I defend their virtues too, and am clear that I don't want to cut
> anyone out.
> It feels that to be on the PSC you're expected to have the patience of a
> saint, the wisdom of Solomon, ... a bunch more clichés ... infinite time and
> infinite stamina. Whereas, like Soylent Green, the PSC is made of people.
> Just 3 people. It's like we're three bartenders in a large rowdy bar, trying
> to maintain the atmosphere and keep everyone happy, where it always seems
> like it's on the cusp of a fist fight breaking out. If that's your unpaid
> side hustle 7 days a week, it can get draining.
>> Humans can't live up to these expectations, and eventually their patience
> frays.
> On balance, I still believe that I am net force for good, and anyone reading
> the list archives would reach the same conclusion.
> Nicholas Clark

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