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Philip R Brenan
March 26, 2021 22:27
Re: PSC #012 2012-03-26
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On *0d*: different people do indeed have different needs and so we cannot
tell a priori which is the correct implementation. There is always more
than one way to do it.   A possible solution is to make Perl totally
pluggable so that a common base can support many variants (like gcc for
example) allowing each person to customize the language to their own exact
specific needs.  We keep trying (eg trim()) to decide the right color for
the bike roof shed to bring the users back -  just like the cargo cults
that built model runways and aircraft control towers on Pacific islands in
the vain  hope of bringing back the war time USAAF and all its wealth
back.  Rearranging the deck chairs or picking one color over another is not
going to do it.  I say that we need to fully empower users so that they
have a pluggable, extensible, reusable language which fits their exacting
needs in a way that no other language can.   Power to the people!

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 9:38 PM Nicholas Clark <> wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 09:21:13PM +0000, wrote:
> > Firstly, we'd like to be clear: we do not want to fork perl, or CPAN,
> and we want the latest stable release of perl to always be a candidate for
> /usr/bin/perl.
> and *I think*, but please confirm that I do not misunderstand/misrepresent:
> Zeroeth
>   0a) the shared concern is the long term steady decline in the Perl
> userbase
>       (which I believe is the consensus observation of all reading this
>       message)
>   0b) and the assumption that in the long run this decline is unsustainable
>       for Perl (widely held, maybe not quite unanimous)
>   0c) so the entire discussion is about what actions could/should be taken
>       to change this path
>   0d) and the risk/reward trade off they involve
>       (*this* is the cause of the heat - it's very hard to judge, and
>        different people weigh different factors differently)
> Where everyone seems to be completely disagreeing, but it's really mostly
> about 0c and 0d, despite it seeming to be about everything.
> (including and up to whether socials should be on the first Thursday of
> the month, or the Thursday following the first Wednesday, and other
> trivia. We keep forgetting that we have more in common that we disagree
> on.)
> Nicholas Clark


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