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Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
From: Dave Rolsky
March 25, 2021 21:57
Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
Message ID: CAHKw1M+H2b=4d34Lpaboh8HyDccJ71R8nhXVbbX10AmqokH3Jw@mail.gmail.com
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 2:34 AM B. Estrade <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> The discussion on the ASF list for mod_perl indicates that it is
> mod_perl, not mod_perl2; since they differentiate between by seeing the
> subject of adjacent threads. So idk.
I don't think that's correct. the "mod_perl project" is the Apache project
that works on the mod_perl codebase. That project released the 2.0.0
release in May of 2005. The most recent release in the 2.x series was
2.0.11 in 2019. Meanwhile, there have been a few additional 1.x releases
after 2.0.0, the last of which was 1.31 in 2009.
I can't find any official documentation of this, but I'm pretty sure the
1.x series was considered EOL soon after the 1.31 release.
The discussion on the list was in the context of the Apache Software
Foundation, not a specific version of the codebase that the project works
on. In the ASF context, the project is just "mod_perl", not "mod_perl 1"
and "mod_perl 2". If you look at the list of Apache projects at
https://www.apache.org/index.html#projects-list you'll see just one "Perl"
project which links to the one mod_perl website. That website in turn has
information about the 1.x and 2.x codebases.
I believe the reason the discussion started is simply that the Apache
Software Foundation has someone (or a committee?) who makes sure that
projects aren't dead. If they are dead they have a process to move them to
what they call the "Attic". My interpretation of ASF policy is that totally
stable project with no active development would be moved to the Attic.
> What's interesting is that it seems like the conversation on EOL'ing
> mod_perl is limited to this month, and it seems more like a "what if"
> thrown out for an unknown reason. I can't find anything "official"
> sounding. It's also kind of dumb to EOL a stable and well used piece of
> software that requires very little maintenance, save tracking Apache httpd.
> The only other active lists other than mod_perl@ are the CVS lists,
> which shows maintenance activity late into 2020.
> Is p5p and mod_perl@ the only places where the specter of the EOL of
> mod_perl has even been raised? Google seems to think so.
> If any good has come out of it, the mod_perl list seems to be more
> active than it has been in a very long time :)
> On 3/25/21 1:04 AM, Yuki Kimoto wrote:
> > > The future of mod_perl
> > is this mod_perl or mod_perl2?
> > 2021年3月18日(木) 5:41 André Warnier (tomcat/perl) <email@example.com
> > <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org>>:
> > Just received.
> > Is this a wake-up call ?
> > I am just a (enthousiastic but old) *user* of perl and mod_perl, and
> > in no way technically
> > capable of contributing to a project like this.
> > But I feel that "losing" (*) mod_perl would be a major blow to perl
> > in general.
> > (*) If this is really what the email below is hinting at, and if I'm
> > not over-dramatising
> > things.
> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > Subject: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
> > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 20:40:33 +0100
> > From: Sander Striker <email@example.com <mailto:
> > To: firstname.lastname@example.org <mailto:email@example.com>,
> > firstname.lastname@example.org <mailto:email@example.com>
> > Dear community members,
> > As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
> > reduces to a level
> > such that the project is no longer sustainable. At Apache, projects
> > reach this stage when
> > there are not at least 3 active PMC members providing oversight.
> > Projects that reach this
> > stage are usually placed in the Attic  or absorbed by another
> > Apache project willing to
> > manage its releases.
> > If you are interested in seeing mod_perl remain an active project,
> > and are able to help
> > maintain and provide oversight, please respond in this thread
> > indicating that you are
> > interested in performing the duties of a PMC member.
> > Cheers,
> > Sander Striker
> > Director, The Apache Software Foundation
> >  https://attic.apache.org/ <https://attic.apache.org/>
> >  https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html
> > <https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html>