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Craig A. Berry
July 3, 2020 17:06
Re: Announcing Perl 7
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On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 8:42 AM Sawyer X <> wrote:
> On 6/30/20 5:50 AM, Craig A. Berry wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:54 PM Kent Fredric <> wrote:
> >
> >> the net result, whatever p5p does
> > For the record, p5p has nothing to do with it.  The public mailing
> > list appears to have been carefully and intentionally excluded from
> > the first few months of Perl 7 development,
> I understand how this seems, but I want to try and explain this:

Thanks for the reply.  I think I already understand how you see the
mailing list.

> * p5p has a record of being a very unfruitful place for in-depth public
> discussion which is not laser focused.
> * Since the proposal is too large for p5p to properly evaluate - this
> thread is strong evidence of it - we had discussed it within that group.
> Now, I understand this seems like a no-starter and many think that any
> such plan should go to p5p, but I disagree. p5p is not the developers
> mailing list as it intends to be. In practice, it is a mailing list for
> those interested in the development, which the developers are part of.
> In short, it's difficult to engage in the way that the list - or some
> people on the list - would like people to engage in. I do apologize I am
> not able to keep up. I wish I could.

However difficult it is to engage the mailing list (and I've been an
observer of at least some of those difficulties for a couple of
decades), it's never been considered optional.  This is partly
convention and tradition, but not just of the "we've always done it
this way" type but more because there's never been an equally
efficient (if messy) mechanism for providing transparency and keeping
the "open" in open source. My reading of L<perlpolicy/GOVERNANCE> is
that making major changes to Perl actually requires consulting p5p
(what Larry calls the legislative branch).

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