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Paul "LeoNerd" Evans
July 3, 2020 16:36
Re: Announcing Perl 7
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(Sorry for late replies; I'm re-reading all the thread again to find
things I missed the first time)

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 04:08:06 +0200
Leon Timmermans <> wrote:

> I may have known much more than most, but what I did not know is that
> this would be communicated to the outside world as a done deal. The
> Plan for Perl document certainly didn't say that.

+1 to this.

When Sawyer first raised this to the small select group of us a few
months ago, I was initially sceptical on the idea mostly for a
general fear of many of the kinds of breakages that people are
suggesting now - though at the time I hadn't thought of many of the
specifics (e.g. I hadn't foreseen at the time such problems as PPI/PPR
or github syntax highlight). I was also persuaded by the idea that
timeline will fix everything - we'd have years before we'd *force*
7-semantics onto everyone. And just maybe those years might be enough
to work out solutions to many of these issues.

I cautiously gave an agreement on that basis. I am not in the habit of
publicly disclosing private conversations, but I will paraphrase the
words I said:

> I am happy with a plan to release 5.32, 5.34, etc as normal, with a
> dual statement that we are working on a major version 7 which will
> come out in at least 2 years. Possibly longer. No shorter.

After that suggestion, there were some more messages from some
concerned folks who thought even 2 years would be quite short; and I
agreed. Maybe safest to say "3 to 5". But certainly, the idea was to
keep the 5.3x train going as well alongside the publicly-visible
proto-7, ready for a release some time in the future. I also felt that
there was agreement from Sawyer on my point of "at least 2 years".

The announcement given at CIC was "this year, by Christmas". That's 6
months away. This is a sudden contraction of that timeline into a
period much shorter than my conditional approval was based on.

If we are saying that 7.0.0 is out by Christmas 2020 and there will
be no more 5.3x then I am no longer on-board with this idea.

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