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From:
David LaCava
Date:
May 10, 2020 10:53
Subject:
RE: perl 5.32 release date
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Hi Sawyer,

Sorry to bother you again.  Have you had a chance to review my email?  Can you please provide a % confidence level that you believe 5.32.0 will be available on May 20th?  We need to decide ASAP whether we should go back to an earlier version (5.26) instead of waiting for 5.32.  5.26 doesn't have a defect which was present in 5.28 - 5.31.9.  We don't want to take the chance of releasing with 5.31.11 because it's still pre-GA release and has defects.  I appreciate your assistance!

Thanks,
Dave
-----------------------
David LaCava
Development Manager - ClearQuest
david.lacava@hcl.com
HCL Software , HCL Technologies
978-330-7951




-----Original Message-----
From: David LaCava 
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 5:09 PM
To: Sawyer X <xsawyerx@gmail.com>; Dan Book <grinnz@gmail.com>
Cc: Michael Binder <michael.binder@hcl.com>; perl5-porters@perl.org; Lesley Macomber <Lesley.Macomber@hcl.com>
Subject: RE: perl 5.32 release date

Hi Sawyer,

Has anything changed in the last week?  What is your confidence level about 5.32.0 coming out on May 20th?  Can you please give me a % level?  I am sorry, I know that's hard, but it's really important for us so we can plan our next release.  

Thanks,
Dave
-----------------------
David LaCava
Development Manager - ClearQuest
david.lacava@hcl.com
HCL Software , HCL Technologies
978-330-7951




-----Original Message-----
From: Sawyer X [mailto:xsawyerx@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:39 PM
To: David LaCava <david.lacava@hcl.com>; Dan Book <grinnz@gmail.com>
Cc: Michael Binder <michael.binder@hcl.com>; perl5-porters@perl.org
Subject: Re: perl 5.32 release date

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There are currently two options:


* 5.31.12 released on May 20th, 5.32.0 is released on June 20th.

* The release of 5.31.11 today was the last dev release and 5.32.0 is released on May 20th.


We take testing very seriously and release a new development version every single month to thoroughly test changes. This means the closer you are to the stable version (GA), the fewer changes done and the code that had been merged so far has gone through more rigorous testing.


If you wish to know what still needs to be resolved, you can view the remaining tickets (which we might be able to resolve with no additional development releases) here:


https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FPerl%2Fperl5%2Fmilestone%2F1&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cdavid.lacava%40hcl.com%7C7b55b6c3ab6244e39e5008d7ebbc815e%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C637237067205671512&amp;sdata=waLrBJTO7W9RXOt5CKXvx%2BcyslGsPvZln59dgOZz8Oc%3D&amp;reserved=0


There are several options available for you for shipping your software with the latest Perl:


If 5.32.0 is released on May 20th:

* Go ahead and use it. Everyone is happy.


If 5.32.0 is delayed to June 20th:

* We will release 5.31.12 on May 20th. You can use this version. It is not likely to have changes between 5.31.12 and 5.32.0.

* You can also then upgrade from 5.31.12 to 5.32.0 the next month.
Again, no expected difference between the versions so it should be a minimal update.


* Alternatively, if you wish to run only from stable (we understand) and the release is delayed to June 20th, you can also release your software on June 20th or past June 20th. However, I imagine that's the least compelling option, since you probably have a timetable to which you need to adhere.


We will make every effort to have 5.32.0 available for you on May 20th, but we cannot guarantee it. 5.31.12 might be enough as "next best thing"
and a "practically same release as 5.32.0", which you might be able to upgrade the next month.


I will also be providing more frequent updates to keep everyone - including yourself - up to speed on our progress.


I hope this is helpful information for you. Please reach out - to the list or directly to me - if there's anything we can help with, other than getting this version out. :)


Sawyer.


On 4/29/20 12:19 AM, David LaCava wrote:
> Hi Dan and Sawyer,
>
> We have a very important release coming out in June which requires this new Perl version.  Mike tested with 5.31.9 and everything passed in our environment.  What’s your official stance on development releases?  I assume you want folks to take your ga'd releases, but it's difficult for us to plan when we don’t know what 5.32 will be available.  Is 5.31.11 stable enough for us to ship with our product?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
> -----------------------
> David LaCava
> Development Manager - ClearQuest
> david.lacava@hcl.com
> HCL Software , HCL Technologies
> 978-330-7951
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sawyer X [mailto:xsawyerx@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 4:02 PM
> To: Dan Book <grinnz@gmail.com>; David LaCava <david.lacava@hcl.com>
> Cc: Michael Binder <michael.binder@hcl.com>; perl5-porters@perl.org
> Subject: Re: perl 5.32 release date
>
> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you 
> trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a 
> Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your 
> Computer.]
>
> Hi David, Mike,
>
>
> We are working on resolving important blockers in an attempt to provide a version you could use out of the box, rather than wait for another month for a maintenance release.
>
>
> We are now (literally, during these minutes) are releasing another development version (5.31.11) and are hoping to release 5.32.0 on May.
> However, we might prefer to have one single development release after 
> resolving all remaining issues. (We will try not to, but we opt for 
> stability first.)
>
>
> We will keep this list up-to-date.
>
>
> Sawyer.
>
>
> On 4/28/20 9:08 PM, Dan Book wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> The latest decision for the 5.32 release schedule was recently
>> announced:
>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
>> nntp.perl.org%2Fgroup%2Fperl.perl5.porters%2F2020%2F04%2Fmsg257375.ht
>> m
>> l&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cdavid.lacava%40hcl.com%7Cd244aff11cf0461aa38408d
>> 7
>> ebaf0a01%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C637237009329819
>> 8
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>> e
>> rved=0
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:47 PM David LaCava <david.lacava@hcl.com 
>> <mailto:david.lacava@hcl.com>> wrote:
>>
>>      Hi Folks,
>>
>>      I am Mike’s manager.  Can you please provide a date when perl 5.32
>>      will be released?  This is impacting our ability to plan for an
>>      important release of our product.  I appreciate your help!
>>
>>      Thanks,
>>
>>      Dave
>>
>>      -----------------------
>>
>>      *David LaCava*
>>
>>      Development Manager - ClearQuest
>>
>>      david.lacava@hcl.com <mailto:david.lacava@hcl.com>
>>
>>      HCL Software , HCL Technologies
>>
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>>
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>>
>>      *From:* Michael Binder
>>      *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2020 11:17 AM
>>      *To:* shay@cpan.org <mailto:shay@cpan.org>; jesse@cpan.org
>>      <mailto:jesse@cpan.org>
>>      *Cc:* David LaCava <david.lacava@hcl.com
>>      <mailto:david.lacava@hcl.com>>
>>      *Subject:* perl 5.32 release date
>>
>>      Hi Steve/Jesse,
>>
>>      The perl 5.32 schedule
>>      (https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmetacpan.org%2Fpod%2Fdistribution%2Fperl%2FPorting%2Frelease_schedule.pod&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cdavid.lacava%40hcl.com%7C7b55b6c3ab6244e39e5008d7ebbc815e%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C637237067205681509&amp;sdata=5e4FLtViCp8BrxHvCyj%2BR8BapUsiAiwdKSJxPK8ziuw%3D&amp;reserved=0)
>>      says that GA is on 4/20 in one place and April or May on another spot.
>>
>>      I saw your names on the page so feel free to correct me if I’m
>>      wrong in contacting you.
>>
>>      Do you know what the current plan is for 5.32?
>>
>>      Thanks,
>>
>>      Mike Binder
>>
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