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It's the right thing because Larry said it was the right thing. Our community depends on this understanding. And we really try to avoid debates like this, Larry made a decision decades ago, and it's not subject to review or change. Yves On Fri, 12 Jul 2019, 23:08 Deven T. Corzine, <deven@ties.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 5:50 PM James E Keenan via RT < > perlbug-followup@perl.org> wrote: > >> This behavior is what the Perl documentation calls "autovivification". >> See 'perldoc perlreftut' -- particularly the section titled "Solution" (as >> distinct from the section titled "The Solution"). >> >> To paraphrase that section of perlreftut ... >> >> This is Perl, so it does the exact right thing. It sees that you are >> asking whether there is a hash element (a) keyed on 'population', (b) which >> has a defined value, and (c) which is an element of an anonymous hash which >> (d) itself is not yet created but which (e) is to be the value of an >> element keyed on 'London' within %cities. So Perl helpfully makes a new, >> empty, anonymous hash for you, installs it as the value of the 'London' >> element within %cities. This is called autovivification -- bringing things >> to life automatically. Perl saw that the element keyed on 'London' wasn't >> in %cities, so it created a new hash entry automatically. >> > > [Jim, this isn't directed at you personally -- it's an old email and I > know that you were just quoting "perlreftut".] > > For the record, I strongly disagree with the statement quoted above: "This > is Perl, so it does the exact right thing." Perl's behavior is justifiable > and easier to implement, but it is absolutely NOT "the exact right thing" > from the programmer's perspective. The "exact right thing" would DWIM and > only autovivify structures when necessary to store a new value, and NEVER > autovivify missing intermediate data structures on a read-only access. > This is what the programmer wants and intuitively expects. > > Perl tries to DWIM as much as possible, and autovivification of > intermediate data structures used in a read-only fashion is an example > where Perl falls short of this ideal. It's not a big deal, but pretending > like this behavior is *preferable* by calling it "the exact right thing" is > simply whitewashing. > > Deven > >Thread Previous | Thread Next