For the record, I strongly support the idea that things which don't need to be in a particular sequence to be easily understood should not be required to be in a particular sequence. Signatures and attributes should be declarable in either sequence, either one before or after the other. Its really not that difficult for users to understand that either order works. Even if something is officially experimental, that doesn't mean there isn't still a high bar for breaking compatibility between Perl versions, and I don't believe that switching the mandatory order here qualifies. -- Darren DuncanThread Next