On 22 Feb 2018 20:11, "Peter Rabbitson" <rabbit-p5p@rabbit.us> wrote: On 02/21/2018 07:56 PM, Zefram wrote: > Relative to the present situation of having signatures after all > attributes, the proposal for double helpings of attributes has only one > advantage, namely compatibility with the 5.22-5.26 version of signatures. > The above statement is false. Zefram's argument over the past several months is predicated on the idea that signatures never existed in a stable form within the Perl5 ecosystem, and didn't exist at all before 5.22. The above statement is at best a half truth. Not only that it is an unhelpful contribution to the discussion. The key problem is that putting signatures before attributes means that the potential uses of attributes are severely limited, especially given the complexity we have allowed in the signature definition. This point is utterly devastating to the counter-arguments that have been made. They all fall flat when this is taken into account. The additional arguments about experimental status are merely icing on the cake, or perhaps better put as the final nails in the coffin. If you have something more useful to contribute that accusing a key contributor of telling falsehoods then please do so, but the type of feedback provided here is unhelpful and imo unwelcome. Thanks, YvedThread Previous | Thread Next