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January 1, 2018 18:03
Re: We need a language design process.
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On 1 January 2018 at 16:36, David Golden <> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Leon Timmermans <> wrote:
>> I meant it quite literally when I said "and no one on the list who was
>> online that week protested too much". In my experience, the de facto
>> process (both sides of it) often has more to do with being always
>> present and being loud (in that order) than a rational decision making
>> process. I firmly believe this process creates a toxic working
>> environment (even when clearly no one has that intention). That is why
>> I'm so offended by the way we've been working, and why I compared it
>> to the need for moderation.
> Notwithstanding Sawyer's response, I agree strongly with Leon's POV.  I
> didn't read it as a call for moderation, I read it as making an *analogy* to
> moderation.
> The *language design process* depends too much on who is paying attention
> when a change is proposed and who has the time and inclination to argue
> until others give up.  I find this toxic as well, which is why I've
> increasingly pulled back from p5p and other Perl venues.

Toxic seems way too strong.

I think we don't have a process, and that we need one.


perl -Mre=debug -e "/just|another|perl|hacker/"

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