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David Golden
January 1, 2018 15:37
Re: We need a language design process.
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On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Leon Timmermans <> wrote:

> I meant it quite literally when I said "and no one on the list who was
> online that week protested too much". In my experience, the de facto
> process (both sides of it) often has more to do with being always
> present and being loud (in that order) than a rational decision making
> process. I firmly believe this process creates a toxic working
> environment (even when clearly no one has that intention). That is why
> I'm so offended by the way we've been working, and why I compared it
> to the need for moderation.

Notwithstanding Sawyer's response, I agree strongly with Leon's POV.  I
didn't read it as a call for moderation, I read it as making an *analogy*
to moderation.

The *language design process* depends too much on who is paying attention
when a change is proposed and who has the time and inclination to argue
until others give up.  I find this toxic as well, which is why I've
increasingly pulled back from p5p and other Perl venues.


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