On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Leon Timmermans <fawaka@gmail.com> wrote: > I meant it quite literally when I said "and no one on the list who was > online that week protested too much". In my experience, the de facto > process (both sides of it) often has more to do with being always > present and being loud (in that order) than a rational decision making > process. I firmly believe this process creates a toxic working > environment (even when clearly no one has that intention). That is why > I'm so offended by the way we've been working, and why I compared it > to the need for moderation. > Notwithstanding Sawyer's response, I agree strongly with Leon's POV. I didn't read it as a call for moderation, I read it as making an *analogy* to moderation. The *language design process* depends too much on who is paying attention when a change is proposed and who has the time and inclination to argue until others give up. I find this toxic as well, which is why I've increasingly pulled back from p5p and other Perl venues. DavidThread Previous | Thread Next