On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Father Chrysostomos <sprout@cpan.org> wrote: > Some seem to be treating this situation as a > disaster that could have been avoided, not realising that the disaster > *was* avoided, *precisely* because of the process we currently have, > which is working. Nothing has been dumped on users in a stable > release yet. I would call that success. It is not a success at all for me personally. I meant it quite literally when I said "and no one on the list who was online that week protested too much". In my experience, the de facto process (both sides of it) often has more to do with being always present and being loud (in that order) than a rational decision making process. I firmly believe this process creates a toxic working environment (even when clearly no one has that intention). That is why I'm so offended by the way we've been working, and why I compared it to the need for moderation. That's why my unsuccessful non-loud attempt at preventing this dynamic before it happened this makes it so bitter. If participating in all that is success, I don't want to get to know failure. LeonThread Previous | Thread Next