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Chad Granum
December 25, 2017 20:13
Re: Revisiting smart match
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I agree with David here. Removing smartmatch as a failure, possibly
introducing a new one later.

On Dec 25, 2017 7:53 AM, "David Golden" <> wrote:

> My 2 cents:
> 0.01: I really don't like the proposed keywords and think the bikeshed
> needs more paint.
> 0.02: I don't object to removing a feature marked experimental after 5
> years, even if it breaks stuff.
> Arguments that "people on old perls will suffer when they upgrade" don't
> carry a lot of weight with me, as that population has already demonstrated
> they don't upgrade often or they'd have seen the warning.  As a volunteer
> driven-and-funded community project, I don't think the Perl core should
> hold itself hostage to distros that ship ancient perls.  (Unlike toolchain
> and high-river CPAN modules, which I think *do* benefit the community with
> a longer support window.)
> I think it's generally accepted wisdom now (in several dynamic languages
> communities, not just Perl) that people should run applications using their
> own interpreter, not the system one.  So who suffers if a newer Perl breaks
> stuff?  People who don't follow the wisdom?  They can learn why it's a
> widely used pattern.  Sysadmins who have scripts they want to "just work"
> on newer OSes?  They're sysadmins... I expect them to be able to install
> their own Perl and use it if they need to.  Newbies?  They aren't using
> experimental features anyway.  DarkPAN?  Who knows, they don't tell us, and
> they don't pay for support... but they do pay their own sysadmins who,
> again, can work around these issues and probably aren't going to jump 5+
> years of OSes and Perls without testing anyway.
> Five years of warnings not to rely on something is plenty.
> I'd also be fine *removing* given/when/smartmatch entirely in the next
> release even if there isn't a replacement.  There's no need to rush the
> replacement if the design is controversial.
> David

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