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Re: source encoding
October 25, 2017 21:51
Re: source encoding
Message ID: 20171025215102.GY6716@fysh.org
Father Chrysostomos wrote:
>Before perl supported Unicode, that was the most obvious way to handle
>utf8 correctly in perl:
It made some sense back then, but keeping such pre-5.6 Unicode-using
programs running totally unchanged isn't a compelling backcompat case.
If you want to keep the program running without any semantic change,
it's easy enough to recode the source in ASCII with \x escapes.
(Which was the other most obvious way to handle UTF-8 prior to 5.6.)
>If this stops working, I might find it annoying enough to stick with
>an old perl for 'real' work.
If you did that, would you drop your opposition to new perls making
"Wide character in print" fatal?
>I would hope that we could solve this before we make any significant
>changes in the way source encoding is handled,
That would make the transitions a bit nicer, but we seem to be a lot
further from having any solution to filenames.
>Maybe this is an alternative solution to enforcing a uniform encoding
>on all source code: Make =encoding affect the source code.
That would be a significant improvement over "use utf8", ameliorating the
buffer encoding issues. But it's quite a bit more complex; especially
the deprecation cycle would have an awful lot of cases. It re-imports
the "=rapbqvat ebg13" problem, which Perl code had otherwise got rid
of with the deprecation of encoding.pm, but obviously in practice we're
already living with it with POD. And we'd force part of the POD to be
placed before the code, which for a lot of people would mean separating
it from the rest of the POD. It makes me uneasy to tie the program and
the POD together more closely than they already are.
I'm not enamoured of this idea, but nor do I see a fatal fault with it.
I'd rather go with the fixed encoding, but if the consensus is that we
can't countenance forcing users into a single encoding then this would
be worth more consideration.
>Also, have you considered the existing support perl has for UTF-16?
Oh wow, I didn't know that existed. Wart much? Autodetection ftl.
I'd be inclined to simply deprecate it as part of a move to UTF-8-only.