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On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 6:36 AM, Karl Williamson <public@khwilliamson.com>wrote: > And $! remains an outlier in the sense that it is AFAIK, and I've looked > hard (perhaps not hard enough), now the only place (except for some POSIX:: > routines) where the program's underlying current locale leaks outside the > scope of 'use locale'. Yeah, in POSIX strftime and the is* functions are also affected. > The main argument that I've heard for doing that is that $! is often for > the end-user and not the programmer. But it isn't for the end user if what > gets displayed is gibberish, which includes being in some language the user > doesn't know, though the latter is better than garbage bytes. So what I'm > advocating is re-examining whether we wish $! to respect 'use locale' or > not. If we chose to respect 'use locale', outside that, it would return > messages in the system default locale, typically "C". > That does sounds like consistency to me. I'm pretty confident that the problem can't be solved so that no code has > to change and things just start working correctly for everybody. > That is my feeling too. The new situation feels rather unfinished to me, but the old situation was clearly not the most useful behavior we can offer. Currently, using $! in production code that can be operated by users who > might have their own locales is much more complicated than people imagine. > "die $!" could print gibberish. Indeed. LeonThread Previous | Thread Next