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On Thursday August 15 2013 7:04:53 PM demerphq wrote:
> On 15 August 2013 18:12, Darin McBride <dmcbride@cpan.org> wrote:
> > The @{...} syntax forces
> > me to mentally go back to the beginning (or mentally note what's at the
> > beginning) just to figure out what's going on.
>
> I could turn your argument on its head. When I am assigning I want the
You can, but your point is already moot ;)
$ denotes scalar.
But $foo->bar(baz => 3) ... does not give you a scalar. Well, it might not.
Depends on what's on the LHS of the =, and how the bar method is implemented.
Might be void. Might be a list. Won't be a hash.
> type of return (scalar or list) to be as close to the assignment
> operator as possible so it is obvious what is being returned from the
> expression (a list or a scalar). If the @* is at the end of the line,
> then it is as far as possible from the place I will be looking at.
Yes, and that works for you. However, perl isn't just for you ;)
> Now, you could argue that
>
> $foo->@* = (1,2,3,4);
>
> puts the @* in the right place, and that
>
> @{$foo} = (1,2,3,4);
Nope, I don't argue either one. The way I think is obviously different from
you. You're focused on the sigil. I'm focused on order of operations,
because I already know the sigil doesn't always tell me what I need to know,
or what I care about. Right now, I treat @{...} or %{...} as exceptions to
that. And you treat method calls as an exception to the way you think.
Neither one is right or wrong, both are, I think, valid. It's whatever makes
the syntax "stick" in our brains.
[elided further description of how you think]
> So, now, the $ no longer can be relied to refer to a "scalar", it
> might be a scalar, it might not.
This is already true.
> This IMO is a real stumbling block for this proposal. It break well
> established and documented expectations for what seems to be little
> benefit.
It will break *your* expectations. But we already have that. That you don't
want *another* breakage, that's fair. I happen to desire differently. Not
that my vote carries much weight, it's simply there.
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