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Marc Lehmann
March 23, 2013 14:32
Re: [perl #117239] Re: [perl #117259] Re: Bleadperlv5.17.9-200-g0e0ab62 breaks MLEHMANN/JSON-XS-2.33.tar.gz
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On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 01:02:03PM +0000, Dave Mitchell <> wrote:

Dave, you took my *private* reply and again posted it to the list. Unlike
my mistake, this was hardly a simple mistake by you, because all I did is
reply to your original mail, while you *manually* added the list address
back. (If anybody is confused: I sent two mails, and for the first, I
manually edited out the list, and that is the one he reposted publicly,
while for the second, I forgot about the list and accidentally left it

Since you are dragging this back to the list *again*, I need to answer it

No thanks for making this list an even worse place, but I am sure you feel
like some angel of justice or so, even though socially your behaviour is
that of a troll.

> Lets look at
> He made a bug report about your code not supporting older compilers
> (admittedly not phrased well), and provided a small patch.

There was no patch as has been pointed out before. Making up lies like
these just makes clear to me that you are not honest.

> Straight off the bat, rude and attacking the *person*.

That's not "straight off the bat", that's a reply to a rude and
unnecessary mail by merjin, and not the first one either.

You might claim I have little tolerance to bullshit, but looking at only
part of the mail exchange and then making conclusions is unwarranted.

It's merely an attempt at character assassination. *is* a common place to go to when the maintainer refuses some
change, in the hope of reaching more publicity, or other people. It is,
however, creating unnecesary extra work, and the only thing you can blame
me for is not to be dishonest because when I grow impatient I don't give
people a facade of politically correct bullshit but clearly tell them it's
wrong what they are doing.

The problems with, in general, are a whole different chapter
that has been topic here already.

> You got a message showing that a recent change to blead had caused some of
> the tests in one of your modules to fail. Your response was a complete
> rant.

It definitely was a rant (as I wrote myself), but while I have no clue
what you mean with "complete rant", you are probably wrong about that.

The continued breakage in recent years, paired with bad decisions,
honestly made me annoyed with how perl is maintained these days - there
is little catering to stability, while at the same time, introducing
incompatible and/or badly designed extensions in a rush.

> You made no attempt to enquire about the background to the changes,

I was well informed about the problem as-is (the problem itself is old),
and as it turned out, I was right.

What exactly should I have attempted, and what exactly would that have
changed? Was I factually wrong about anything related to that change?

No, I wasn't, so you implying that I would have had to enquire more first
is just dishonest.

> you just charged in and accused everyone of being completely wrong,

No, you confuse me with yves. I charged in and made arguments on why this
is wrong.

Most everybody else (but not vereybody) charged in and accused me of being
completely wrong, without ever giving even a shred of evidence of it. Some
people then broguht up unrelated stuff ("yeha, I don't like this module
either because of") as if it had anything to do with the issue.

At least the current perl maintainer agreed with me on my points (that the
wording is ambiguous and that a better patch without breakage would be
preferred). And quite a lot of module maintainers seem to have fallen into
the same trap.

> ranted about how we spend all our time breaking everything in perl.

Making this up doesn't make it true. Nowhere did I say or imply that, as
you you are well aware. You are a liar, which to me is the worst thing

> So, I would repeat, "The lack of respect you show for the work others
> have done for you to use, freely is staggering."

And I would answer that you lie in public, not even stopping from
reposting private replies, just to get more attention for your lies.

> > If at all, I should be praised for not going down to that level, but I
> > make no illusions of that (and I don't like, nor care, for praise).
> But you immediately rush to the lowest possible, most combative level,

That's not true. I might be dumb enough to only leave traces of that
publicly, but that doesn't make it so.

> at every available opportunity. As I have shown above.

You haven't shown even a single case (because your conclusion is based on
lies you amde up and wrong information).

But hey, even two cases makes "every available opportunity".

The staggering amount of bullshit that you pull out of your arse is

> > If you have any grain of integrity in you, then think about that. Maybe
> > even research history a bit. Then you will see I am right.
> Ah, after one post, already questioning my integrity.

Another lie, I didn't question your integrity, I told you that if you have
some, then you will do some better research.

Didn't happen, so now I do question your integrity.

> > I will continue to provide quality software that is useful for an
> > enourmous number of perl users despite what some freaks think of it. I'm
> > doing it for the users, not for them.
> I will continue providing a quality perl interpreter for an enormous
> number of perl users despite what what you think of it.

Reality check: "providing a perl interpreter". Well, I provide multiple
perl interpreters, while I doubt you currently provide any perl
interpreter to anybody.

There is no doubt that you worked a lot more on perl than me and most
people on this plane, but accusing me of disrespect and then disregarding
the masses of people who worked on perl looks hipocritical to me.

I think you have a hyperinflated ego.

But that's fine. Spreading lies like a machine is not. If don't think I
cna respect you anymore.

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