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February 7, 2013 04:22
Re: Perl 7 or Perl 2013?
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On 6 February 2013 21:44, Dave Rolsky <> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Feb 2013, Ricardo Signes wrote:
>> Furthermore, were Perl 7 to be released (secretly known to be Perl
>> 5.20.0),
>> what would the outcome be?  It would gain attention, and people would say,
> I think the bigger problem is that by not allowing a Perl 7 (or 2013 or 42),
> there's no way to offer a new Perl that's an evolution of Perl 5. It's Perl
> 5 the backwards compatible forever language or Perl 6 the revolution (which
> is coming soon?). So if someone had a serious proposal for a non
> backwards-compatible evolution of Perl 5 (like, say, Moe) they're completely
> shut out of the Perl name.
> Maybe the name just doesn't matter that much. If something like Moe is good
> enough, we'll all move to the moe-porters list and be done with it.
> But still, it's hard not to be frustrated when it feels like people with a
> significant interest in the future of Perl 5-like languages are told that
> all future version numbers belong to a project that has significantly fewer
> users, developers, and mindshare than the existing Perl 5 language (and
> community).
> I'm 100% okay with how long Perl 6 has taken, and this shouldn't be taken as
> a criticism of that project. I think it's an interesting project, and it's
> spurred a lot of good Perl 5 development. Maybe ten years from now I'll be
> programming in Perl 6 on a day to day basis. But Larry's insistence on
> squatting the Perl 5+X (for X >= 1) names is more and more starting to seem
> like a rejection of reality, and is less justified the longer Perl 6 takes,
> and the less involved he is with Perl 5.

I agree. There is an entire ecosystem involved here, peoples
livelihoods, etc, which is at risk due to this.

From what little I know of Larry his decision on this one seems pretty
out of character and I can only conclude he doesn't understand the
potential and actual harm involved.


perl -Mre=debug -e "/just|another|perl|hacker/"

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