Hi, I wonder if any one the numerous Perl smokes is building with -DPERL_GLOBAL_STRUCT, or even more hardcore, -DPERL_GLOBAL_STRUCT_PRIVATE? They were originally conceived for the Symbian port, they hide/remove all global data symbols (global variables), turning the embeddability to eleven and twelve, if you will. (If compile barfs, needs more dVAR: see perlguts for more information.) The Symbian port is of course of dubious value any more, and probably does not work any more for any of the more recent Symbian releases, but I think trying to keep this ultimate embeddability option alive would be good. (Similarly, checking what "nm libperl.a | grep -v ' [TURtr] '" says once in a while is good hygiene.) -- There is this special biologist word we use for 'stable'. It is 'dead'. -- Jack CohenThread Next