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October 29, 2012 04:25
Re: Why the alarmism? (was: What happened to the whole "small core" idea?)
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On 29 October 2012 12:10, Peter Rabbitson <> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:43:52AM +0100, demerphq wrote:
>> If you feel that this feature is insufficiently thought out could you
>> please summarize the feature as proposed, and the issues that emerge
>> around it on some kind of wiki somewhere?
>> Then you can point everyone to the wiki and we can all read it and
>> review the issues and respond to them in some kind of crowd sourced
>> specification proposal?
> I strongly believe that such course of action is not constructive,
> regardless of whether it is led by me or someone with actual experience
> in this area. I will quote myself from [1]:

Personally i think it would be more constructive than what we have had so far.

> Without a case study of this feature all we have are dueling levels of
> technical and design experience attempting to predict what lies behind a
> particular singularity. This is no way to judge the impact and fitness
> of new features. For that one needs a study. Such a study has never
> taken place, as the feature has never appeared on CPAN in anything even
> resembling its current form.

Personally i think there is a difference between prototyping a given
implementation on CPAN and deciding what the implementation in Perl
should be like.

So it seems to me we need a feature spec for this, summarizing the
different approaches and possibilities in one place so that we can do
the analysis somewhere in a more sane fashion that quoting each others

>> Switching to a different medium I think would remove a lot of the
>> emotion from this process.
> Yes, this medium is called CPAN. Moreover some of my opponents and the
> author of the proposed feature himself are already converging on this
> plan.
> I have no desire to derail this feature (even though I am firmly in the
> "probably a good idea" camp). I just want to see it done without
> bridge-burning.

Well I think you have pretty effectively derailed this feature. And I
think that community bridges have been burned in the threads you
started. Which I think is pretty sad.


perl -Mre=debug -e "/just|another|perl|hacker/"

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