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From:
Peter Rabbitson
Date:
October 29, 2012 01:53
Subject:
Why the alarmism? (was: What happened to the whole "small core"idea?)
Message ID:
20121029085256.GA31754@rabbit.us
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 06:53:14PM +0200, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
> * Peter Rabbitson <rabbit-p5p@rabbit.us> [2012-10-27 10:35]:
> > Let's focus on sub signatures for a bit. I've read every thread about
> > them. Peter Martin's work kicks ass. The speedups are tangible which
> > is even more awesome. Yet the whole proposal seems to be set up “It
> > either happens in core or it doesn't happen at all”. Why?
> 
> Why indeed? Why does it seem that way?

Several of the replies in this thread took issue with my perceived 
alarmism. I think it is constructive to present a couple specific 
examples from former postings, which (while in context) gave me the 
above overall impression.

I am *not* doing this to single out specific porters to be pillored, I 
am simply pointing out what makes me go "fuckity fuck, Perl is about to 
drive off a cliff *again*"

"If someone (yes, I'm volunteering) were to do the work to allow named
parameters in prototypes, would there be support for adding it to core?"[1]

"...  I just don't want that discussion to hold up the core feature 
(since there's no reason for it to)."[2]

"You say "define the syntax for denoting them" like it's so easy, but
syntax arguments on p5p basically always take months, especially if
there is no preapproved consensus. I don't want this feature to be
blocked on that kind of thing, because that gives a good chance of it
just never happening at all (like it has every singe previous time it
has been brought up)."[3]

"We have a relatively uncontroversial base set of features that I don't 
want to see die just because we can't figure out a new syntax for 
things. We can work out the new syntax once the base feature is already 
in place."[4]

[1] http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/2012/06/msg188869.html
[2] http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/2012/09/msg191780.html
[3] http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/2012/09/msg191808.html
[4] http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/2012/09/msg191811.html

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