On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 02:32:23AM +1300, Kent Fredric wrote: > On 27 October 2012 03:41, Peter Rabbitson <rabbit-p5p@rabbit.us> wrote: > > Peter Rabbitson > > Concerned Citizen of the Republic of Perl > > I think I've seen somewhat structural changes to how Perl is packaged, > which seem to be small progressive iterations towards a possible > future where perl is essentially a minimal VM + a standard library , > but seperating the standard library from perl at present seems a hard > task. > > I feel that in the future, we may eventually see the development model > for most of the "Features" that are part of perl move away from being > perl-itself, and instead focused on this standard library. > > I think your basic frustration stems from expecting to see this "now", > but it not being "here" "now", but I am confident I see small changes > happening that are moving in the direction you hope for, just its > slower than you might want. If you reread my email more carefully you will notice that I do recognize and commend these changes. Nor am I complaining that changes to the VM to facilitate a new dimension of experimentations are not there yet. My problem is that a small group of porters believes it is ok to experiment "in production", while these prerequisites are not available. And that a much larger group of porters sanctions this implicitly by simply being silent. > I should also point out, that the large crowds of crickets sitting on > the sidelines not saying anything is not nessecarily a lack of care on > the subject, but a lack of desire to communicate. > > Writing big formalised emails can be a time consuming task It didn't take me 10 minutes to write my original email. Nor am I expecting the average porter to set time aside to write their thoughts. Furthermore as you can see the "progress police" is already on my case, so I either drop it or I write another structured reply. What I was really complaining about is that *nobody* does this. Yet I recognize a very good point in your and bulk88's replies - it is too damn time consuming to slap some eager chap on the hand and say "Not yet". I have discussed this previously (IIRC offlist) with some porters. And sadly I do not have an answer. Doesn't mean I and others must stop highlighting the issue though... does it? CheersThread Previous | Thread Next