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September 19, 2012 23:41
Re: Changing the Perl error message when a module is not found
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On 20 September 2012 06:05, bulk 88 <> wrote:
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>> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:24:33 +0200
>> Subject: RE: Changing the Perl error message when a module is not found
>> > From: Konovalov, Vadim
>> > > From: demerphq
>> > > Given your concerns we eagerly anticipate the patch that strips the
>> > > "Can't locate" out of those strings in a nice sane way.
>> >
>> > stripping just "Can't locate" will save approx 60+ bytes with
>> > a cost of adding complexity, so it hardly worth it.
> .......................................
>> I replaced these with one single following string:
>> Can't coerce %s%s to %s%s%s
>> with a simple change that is attached.
>> (test passes correctly)
>> For not very well understood by me reasons, perl517.dll became a
>> bit larger, not smaller,
>> it became 974,927 bytes instead of 974,922 bytes without my patch.
> I have found that often trying to save space by using format string templates is self defeating for most strings and costs more image space than you think you are saving.
> I have 4 long interconnected topics I need to bring up
> - OP_DESC macro has a expansion bloat problem
> - does a wrapper function need to be written for callers of OP_DESC?
> - disabling C literal string alignment using Perl to expand C macros/generate C code, saves 1-8 bytes per string literal in RO image section on 32 bit X86, and separately, if possible, from 5 to 2 bytes of 32/64 x86 machine code in a function where a series of gotos can be written to 1 label that has a noreturn function (aka croak) (very common), or a series of gotos to 1 label that has a warn function (unlikely). The whole string aligner/compact string selector system can easily be disabled by redefining C macros for non-compatible platforms. I have a working example of both of these size reductions in a XS module that compiled and ran without side effects on x86 32/64 VC and Mingw Win32 Perls (4 permutations). I know Perl runs on many more platforms than those 4, so the idea might be a non-starter. This is a summary, not an exhaustive list of all the pros and cons I already know of.
> -include examples of x86 machine code of why you generically got a larger image when you "saved a string" by consolidating format strings and how to visualize the break even point for format strings on X86
> I'm not sure how to organize my 4 topics.  So, what should I discuss in this thread? and what should I file new tickets for? and should I describe in detail with C examples of the disabling string literal alignment to save image space for warn/croak messages idea or is it a non-starter?

Personally I would like to hear whatever you have to say on the subject.


perl -Mre=debug -e "/just|another|perl|hacker/"

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