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From:
Reverend Chip
Date:
July 10, 2011 13:41
Subject:
Re: Why views are useful, and why their syntax doesn't matter much
Message ID:
4E1A0E85.9050409@gmail.com
On 7/10/2011 12:14 PM, Father Chrysostomos wrote:
> Chip Salzenberg wrote:
>> What views offer are the ability to add semantics - filters - to the
>> aliasing.  The only current use case, perhaps the only ever, is adding
>> read-only-ness.  So after something like
>>
>>    view const $v, $original;
>>
>> or whatever the syntax might be, then:
>>
>>    \$v == \$original         # true
>>    $original=1; print $v     # "1"
>>    $v=1                      # throws exception
>>
> I don’t really see the point of this feature, but don’t let that deter you. (On the other hand, I thought the same thing about smart match and consequently ignored it, so maybe that’s a red flag; then again, maybe not.)

Intuition counts, but needs balance.

The point of this feature is specifically so that   method foo ($a)
{...}   can have $a not be a copy (this is for speed), but also prevent
accidentally modifying the original (this is for safety).  It's
"read-only aliasing", the default mode of parameter passing in Perl 6. 
Shirley having to choose between slow names and fast and unsafe @_ is a
situation that needs fixing.

Does that help?

> In any case, do views work with the no-common-vars optimisation?
> I.e., what will be assigned to $something_else in this case? Not 3, I hope.
>
> $original = 7;
> ($original,$something_else) = (3,$v);
>
> This is already a problem for aliased package vars...

The no-common-vars optimization works strictly by name?  Feh.  Perhaps
you're right about the pragma, or perhaps we can just have users use do
BLOCK as a workaround since it makes temp copies that can have their
contents stolen, reducing the waste:

    ($original,$something_else) = do { 3,$v };




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