There doesn't seem to be a way to use -Dusedevel and not have DEBUGGING enabled. I tried: ./Configure -Doptimize=-g -d -Dusedevel -Dcc=ccache\ gcc -Dld=gcc -Duseithreads ./Configure -d -Dusedevel -UDEBUGGING -Duseithreads -Dcc=ccache\ gcc -Dld=gcc And both lead to debugging being enabled. Is this a configure bug? cheers, Yves -- perl -Mre=debug -e "/just|another|perl|hacker/"Thread Next