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From:
Rafael Garcia-Suarez
Date:
August 25, 2009 10:38
Subject:
Re: A complete design for := (bind)
Message ID:
b77c1dce0908251038s10e74av8b40807d87ac3293@mail.gmail.com
2009/8/23 Aristotle Pagaltzis <pagaltzis@gmx.de>:
> * David Golden <xdaveg@gmail.com> [2009-08-21 13:40]:
>> If I had to sum up my view, I want -OReadability. I appreciate
>> that you've worked through the semantics for LHS and RHS, but
>> I think the syntactic direction is wrong for Perl 5. (E.g. I'd
>> like to combat the "line noise" meme, not fuel it.)
>
> Fully agreed.
>
> I feel this is too Perl 6ish.
>
> Perl 6 is non-flattening by default and offers the splat for
> explicit flattening; Perl 5 is flattening by default and offers
> the reference backslash for explicit preservation. Arguably, this
> denies control of various kinds to the user, so explicit
> flattening turns out to be a better overall idea.
>
> But it cannot be retroduced to Perl 5 without a significant hit
> to the conceptual coherence of the language. Let’s not try to mix
> the two. It’s a good idea to take cues from the conceptual work
> in Perl 6, Perl 5 has too much baggage to water it down further
> by porting over the semantics along with the concepts. Let’s try
> to transliterate the Perl 6 concepts into the existing Perl 5
> semantics instead.

I agree too.

I notice that non-flattening behaviour is marked in Perl 5 by a
keyword (my, local, our): it would be more visually consistent to use
a keyword for binding as well, instead of ":()".

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