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July 26, 2009 14:25
Re: any 5.10.1 showstoppers?
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2009/7/26 Nicholas Clark <>:
> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:03:21PM +0200, demerphq wrote:
>> Schwern and I will have to sort it out amongst ourselves. And for now
>> im going to leave in place even tho it isnt being used,
>> please leave it until schwern and i can negotiate a solution to this.
> I'm not paying close attention to this (for example, I've deleted the previous
> messages in this thread, so I can't refer back to them) but I think that
> Schwern said that the problem may become a lot easier to resolve once
> dual life modules are detangled from lib and moved each to their own directory
> in ext/, with their tests run in ext/

I don't agree with that assessment. The reason is you have a test file
that now is one third ExtUtils::Install related, and because the other
two thirds test EUMM specific functionality it cannot go unchanged
into an EUI package without tests failing when someone tries to
install the latest EUI with an older EUMM.

Thus, even if we do the ext/ thing it doesnt change anything, EUI will
need to have the same tests that EUMM has for installation. If the
files these test live in are "identical" then cross-applying patches
is trival. If they are quite different, as they would be without
taking the tack I did, then getting the same patch to apply to both is
a pain (this was the origin of why I did this change).

Back when this presented itself I tried to contact Schwern, couldn't
find him, and decided to go with what seemed to me to be the better of
two options, which was to put some switches in the EUMM version so
that the bits that might break in EUI would not fire when run
appropriately, and then have the same core file in both, with a
preloader to set things up right in each package. Schwern has rejected
this, which I guess leaves the option of  striping out the install
specific tests into a stand alone test file which is the duplicated in
EUI and EUMM into a new test file, which is the duplicated in both
packages. I personally think the latter is trickier and more
timeconsuming than the former.

BTW you can see a diff pretty easily:

   git diff lib/ExtUtils/t/ lib/ExtUtils/t/basic.t

As you can see extracting the stuff that is EUI specific, out of the
set up steps needed which will align with EUMM, isnt so easy, which is
why I went with the option of selective disablement.

> Dave asked us not to do this until after 5.10.1 was released.
> But I think it likely that work will restart rather soon after 5.10.1

Well, as I said, this is irrelevant, some kind of negotiation between
Schwern and myself to resolve the this is necessary regardless. Which
im sure will happen as soon as we are both in irc at the same time.


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