On Tuesday 06 February 2007 07:52, Sean O'Rourke wrote: > chromatic <email@example.com> writes: > > I *highly* recommend that non-contributors never tell *volunteers* what > > they should and shouldn't do. > So how should non-perl-developer users of perl make known what > they do and do not find useful, without incurring a condescending > STFU? Try to avoid phrases like: - your project is dead - your project is a distraction - MY GOODNESS! Why don't you just (do a whole lot of work for which you don't have volunteers)? That would fix all of your problems, you stupid heads - you're getting in the way of this other project to which you also contribute - you're never going to release - I found all of these problems and you should fix them right now and I really can't be bothered to provide a patch, no matter how easy you make it and yes they're just typos - you are as bad as Pol Pot! Maybe Pinochet! You evil dictator! Why are you oppressing me! You can't silence the truth!!! - I don't want to say anything bad, but I have to tell you that there are bad rumors going around in public that the leader of both projects has lost his mind and despite the fact that there is hardly a line of willing pumpkings for Perl 5, Magic Code Fairies are just waiting for the next slip up to fork and magically take over and push you fools out, but you didn't hear it from me Basically: treat other human beings and volunteers like human beings and volunteers. Imagine exactly how much fun it would be to spend four years (or more) working on a long-term project and get dumped on every couple of weeks, even by the people you're supposedly doing it for. You know, the same rule for any project. -- c PS - bug reports without condemnation, condescention, and abuse *are* contributions too, even as simple as "Here's a typo in the docs."