Richard Foley wrote: >> Perl 6 is happening. There's running code. There's a considerable test >> suite. The performance is shaping up. Even Perl 5 compatibility is being >> dealt with. If people don't know this and think its all a wanking >> exercise... well, that's a PR problem not a code problem. > > Michael, I don't think the perl6 is entirely a mutual masterbation session, > and I never suggested there was no work being done - I know perl6 has a lot > of effort behind it. However, I do think the public perception of perl is on > a serious slide and that the current PERCEPTION of PERL6 is one, and not the > only one, of the reasons. And, yes, it's a PR problem of the greatest > magnitude, that was one of the reasons I asked on the advocacy list about > maintainance of the perl timeline, which has not been updated since 2001/2. I very much agree with you that Perl (5 and 6) has a serious PR problem. However, I don't think it will be solved by code, PR problems rarely are. I do have a number of thoughts on this subject but I'm not prepared to go into it in detail just now, I'm busy on contract.