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Re: Its time we set the score straight on Perl 5 and Perl 6 and debunkour own self-generated FUD.

Steve Hay
June 20, 2006 01:19
Re: Its time we set the score straight on Perl 5 and Perl 6 and debunkour own self-generated FUD.
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demerphq wrote:
> Yes, core perl support for Win32 is much less than what it should be,
> The solution to this problem is to improve core support for OS
> abstraction. Something ive been advocating and sending patches in for
> years. And you know what? Generally ive been overruled by people who
> dont know jack shit about win32, or how its apis work. And thats the
> general impression many Win32 people who try to contribute back
> encounter[2]. They contribute a patch, the people who normally would
> apply it are unable or unwilling to assess it with an open mind and
> the patch ends up ignored. They dont bother wasting their time again.

I've been trying to look at all the Win32 patches that come in for quite 
a while now and I don't recall having overruled or ignored any, except 
possibly suggestions for including new (Win32) modules into the core, 
which I don't feel I could unilaterally do without support from others.

Most of the Win32 functionality that you mention is missing from core 
perl in your other mail is contained in the libwin32 package.  There 
have been discussions in the past about including that in the core, but 
it has usually been rejected on the grounds of bloating the core too 
much, which is probably a fair point from non-Win32 users' perspectives.

I've personally never heard of anyone trying to use perl on Win32 
without having libwin32 installed anyway, so including it in the core 
wouldn't change Win32 users' lives that much.  It isn't hard to install, 
being all in one bundle, and for those who can't manage there's always 

> Actually I think a solution to this would be to make a Win32 Pumpking,
> which I supposed is pretty close to what Steve Peters is these days,
> so maybe it should be an official title for him. Note that the mjor
> win32 related work was done when we had an experienced Win32 developer
> as Pumpking (GSAR).
> Yves
> [1] A signifigant majority in my experience, mostly due to antipathy
> to the platform and some kind of sheer inability to search the free
> MSDN library resources that Microsoft makes available
> [2] Theyve told me. Many Win32 experienced programmers on Perlmonks
> have posted patches been rebuffed and resolved never to bother to do
> so again.

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