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Re: Its time we set the score straight on Perl 5 and Perl 6 and debunk our own self-generated FUD.

June 19, 2006 23:32
Re: Its time we set the score straight on Perl 5 and Perl 6 and debunk our own self-generated FUD.
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On 6/20/06, Adam Kennedy <> wrote:
> chromatic wrote:
> > On Monday 19 June 2006 18:36, Chip Salzenberg wrote:
> Most of last night's discussion was about how annoying it is that so
> little of CPAN works on Windows, and a discussions about the problems of
> dependency bloat in general.

Yes, core perl support for Win32 is much less than what it should be,
which in turn means all the linux programmers who dont have a clue
about how windows work[1] end up just coding as tho their code will
run on *nix regardless, and therefore their code doesnt work when it
gets run on Win32.

The only perl modules that consistantly build and work properly on
Win32 are those that are written and tested regularly on Win32. Which
is not many of them.

The solution to this problem is to improve core support for OS
abstraction. Something ive been advocating and sending patches in for
years. And you know what? Generally ive been overruled by people who
dont know jack shit about win32, or how its apis work. And thats the
general impression many Win32 people who try to contribute back
encounter[2]. They contribute a patch, the people who normally would
apply it are unable or unwilling to assess it with an open mind and
the patch ends up ignored. They dont bother wasting their time again.

Actually I think a solution to this would be to make a Win32 Pumpking,
which I supposed is pretty close to what Steve Peters is these days,
so maybe it should be an official title for him. Note that the mjor
win32 related work was done when we had an experienced Win32 developer
as Pumpking (GSAR).

[1] A signifigant majority in my experience, mostly due to antipathy
to the platform and some kind of sheer inability to search the free
MSDN library resources that Microsoft makes available
[2] Theyve told me. Many Win32 experienced programmers on Perlmonks
have posted patches been rebuffed and resolved never to bother to do
so again.

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