[Quoting Sherm Pendley, on June 17 2006, 13:57, in "Re: Its time we set "] > ... when the simple fact is that the CPAN mechanism is completely > unsuitable for everyday users. I'd say this is too strong. CPAN install is a good starting point. However, some (application-oriented) people seem to object against the 'building' step (I don't want to build applications, I want to install and run). Moreover, despite the better features that Module::Build offers over ExtUtilis::MakeMaker, I stil find it limited. In particular, anything installed with either method is strongly tied to the Perl 'standard' of how applications should be installed. Desktop platforms have their own standards on that. And while we're on the subject: did I say 'applications'? E::M and M::B are not particularly designed for application installs, they do a fine job installing Perl modules. And no, not every application is a just module in disguise. Fortunately, people are working very hard to improve this. And while it's okay to install Perl extension modules according to the Perl 'standard', installing applications is a different matter. Many good and constructive remarks on that topic have already been made in this thread. The bottom line is that, to get end-user acceptance for Perl applications, we need AND good applications, AND a way to install them the way the end-user expects to. -- Johan