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Sherm Pendley
June 17, 2006 10:58
Re: Its time we set the score straight on Perl 5 and Perl 6 and debunk our own self generated FUD.
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On Jun 17, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Adam Kennedy wrote:

> I suspect you have made an incorrect mental association of  
> "properly" to "... for newbie end-users".

No I made the association of "properly" to "... for everyday end- 
users". Point taken, regardless.

> By "properly" I mean it installs via standard CPAN mechanisms.
> Do not underestimate how important this is.

I fully recognize its importance as a *first step*. My concern is the  
impression I'm getting that a lot of people here are willing to stop  
there and leave it at that, when the simple fact is that the CPAN  
mechanism is completely unsuitable for everyday users.

For that matter, I've seen plenty of Perl developers who couldn't  
cope with it either... ;-\

> The installation mechanism I described is intended for the P5P  
> audience, namely extremely experienced Perl developers.
> My assumption was anyone on this list would understand that once  
> you reach a clean CPAN install, the rest of the way to something  
> end-usery is a separate matter.

Unfortunately, it's a separate matter that winds up being ignored far  
too often.

> Please remember this is an extremely technical mailing list about  
> porting the Perl internals between different operating systems (and  
> other miscellaneous conversation).
> Please don't be under any impression that anything discussed here  
> is relevant to people who don't know Perl already, unless stated  
> otherwise.

I don't think our concerns are all that different. My CamelBones  
project is made by and for Perl hackers. But it's a tool for writing  
and packaging apps destined for non-geek end users, and I'd be a fool  
not to consider the end-user experience, even though that experience  
is several degrees removed from what I'm doing.

IMHO, the "downstream" implications of what's discussed here are very  
much relevant.


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