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From:
Sherm Pendley
Date:
June 17, 2006 10:32
Subject:
Re: Its time we set the score straight on Perl 5 and Perl 6 and debunk our own self generated FUD.
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On Jun 17, 2006, at 4:30 AM, Richard Foley wrote:

> On Saturday 17 June 2006 08:40, Adam Kennedy wrote:
>>
>> you should be able to just
>> do the following (for Vanilla, which is my testing platform) on  
>> Windows.
>>
>> 1. Install Vanilla Perl.
>> 2. > cpan App::GUI::Notepad
>>
>> And it will install properly, Wx and all.
>>
> Sounds good - if that works on Unix, Linux and Mac, and if that can  
> include
> something like SQLite for the db, then that is sounding very promising
> indeed.  A simple install is underestimated by we programmers for  
> end-users -
> the people who pay the bills...

You're absolutely right that the importance of a simple install is  
often underestimated. Also, the "simplicity" of opening a shell,  
entering commands like the above, and watching a bunch of scary- 
looking gibberish scroll by is quite often overestimated. To Joe  
Sixpack, the above is far from simple.

> The question though at the back of everyone's mind might be: will  
> this go the
> same way as PerlTK?  I mean by that, PTK was fantastic, with Nick I- 
> S putting
> an awsome amount of work into it, but in the end it wasn't supported
> continually on all 3 major platforms, so it became sort of side- 
> lined to the
> point where you can use it on *nix but not easily anywhere else  
> (please
> correct me if I'm wrong here).

IMHO, the reason Windows & Mac developers lost interest in PerlTK is  
user feedback. After shipping a few PerlTK apps to non-geek  
secretaries and financial analysts, and getting a lot of "WTH is  
this?" in return, they realized that they'd need to use something  
else if they wanted to meet their users' expectations.

>   Now we have wxPerl at what looks like a
> mature stage, and can we learn from history and ensure it survives  
> long
> enough to build up a solid core of users?

History tells us that a GUI library has no place in a language  
standard, and that apps written with cross-platform libraries are  
inevitably poorly received by end-users, and chosen only when a  
native alternative isn't available.

The fact that we're even having this conversation indicates that some  
part of "we" have already missed (or are choosing to ignore) that  
lesson.

sherm--

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