On 6/16/06, James Mastros <email@example.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 02:34:12PM +0200, Juerd wrote: > > demerphq skribis 2006-06-16 11:05 (+0200): > > > I think these are a serious problem for the language and the > > > community. When college teachers are saying that teaching PHP makes > > > more sense because Perl is a dead language there is a problem. When > > > the people who should know better think that Perl 5 is end-of-lifed > > > because of Perl 6 then there is a problem. When the internal politics > > > of the Perl community lead to more Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt than a > > > focused Microsoft attack campaign there is something wrong. > > > > Agreed, but do you have suggestions? > > > > > We need to make it clear that Perl 5 is not dead, not sleeping, and > > > not going anywhere. > > 0) Get to a releasable state. This means that we shouldn't be much slower > then 5.8 in any purticular category without being clearly better in it at > the same time, and having an intersting list of new features. Agreed. I think we already have some interesting new features, whether they are the ones that the market will react to is another question. Personally i think that if we really want to change the way Perl is perceived we need to take some time to assess what it is about other languages that people like. For instance why is it that a lot of people think PHP is a better solution than perl? What is it about Python that makes people choose it over Perl? What are the consistanly poorly solved problems of Perl? Naturally i have some thoughts on this, but im not sure this is the right thread. > 1) Release 5.10. Agreed, > 2) Yell far and wide that we've released 5.10, and that we aren't dead. Agreed! > I realize, step 0 will take a while... We seem to have mostly white smoke, > which is a very good step. I think we need to take some time on the speed issue. Yves -- perl -Mre=debug -e "/just|another|perl|hacker/"