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Re: [perl #33948] configure checking echo (and using Configure in WIN32)

January 28, 2005 10:32
Re: [perl #33948] configure checking echo (and using Configure in WIN32)
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Like Cygwin, Msys runs on a dll that allows it to provied the user with a 
bash sell in Windows, but unlike Cygwin, it lets MinGW compile programs 
independently of it. The benefit is that it allows the user to run configure 
scripts and still compile using the regular native version of MinGW, Cygwin 
has its own version of MinGW and indeed of everything else, I want to 
operate a bash shell and still compile programs that will run in a cmd.exe 
shell. Cygwin does not offer that functionality. For people who start out 
compiling with MinGW in a cmd.exe shell, it is not tempting to migrate to 
CygWin, I make that choice years ago. It is tremendously helpfuf, 
instructive to be able to run Configure, if only to learn more about what is 
involved in compiling Perl.

Right now I am compling Perl using dmake in the cmd.exe shell on the one 
hand and using Configure to rewrite, config.gc, and Config_H.gc 
on the other hand. Recently, I ran into an interesting snag that config.gc 
must have the following logically conflicting lines in order to compile in 
Windows due to the absence of a usable DIR struct in dirent.h:

direntrytype='struct direct'

Configure assumes direntrytype='struct dirent' if dirent.h exists, but in 
Windows 'striuct dirent' is incompatible with the Unix version. This is the 
way config.gc looks as shipped in perl-5.8.6 and is correct, unless you want 
to remove the dependency on dirent.h for the Windows compile entirely or 
possibly take away Configures assuption that 'struct dirent' is usable if 
dirent.h exists, but it is an example of where the output from Configure 
must be hand edited for a Windows compile to compile properly. Personally I 
think MinGW should not ship with a version of both direct.h and dirent.h, as 
that is bound to confuse almost any Unix configure script.
Basically, I am trying to have the best of both worlds, using Configure to 
guide me in updating and tailoring a Windows compile on my computer. My 
pipedream is that an msys user can run Configure with no options, msys will 
pop up as a system, those defaults will be used successfully and perl will 
compile for Windows in a bash shell, using the default Unix directory 
structure: --prefix=/usr/local. The first challenge toward that goal is to 
figure out what those defaults need to be. So it is necessary for me to 
reinvent the wheel, since someone already figured most of this when creating 
config.gc and config_H.gc. Most of it, but not for running bash using 
gnumake, although I really do appreciate dmake now that I am running it, its 
just that msys comes with its own version of make and it would be nice to 
make the process more transparent to the user. The dmake option is *the* 
answer for people who use MinGW in the cmd.exe shell.

The final problem I find is that htonl is found in sys/socket.h in Windows, 
but Configure does not look for it there, so

is the second edit needed.

This is the Configure command line I use so far:
/home/Stephen/perl/perl-5.8.6/Configure -Dprefix='c:/msys/1.0/local' -Doptimize="-O3 
 -march=pentium4 -malign-double" -Dlibs='-lgdbm -lm' -Dcc=gcc -Dso=dll -Uusenm 
 -Dusemymalloc -Dusethreads -Uinstallusrbinperl -Ubincompat5005 -Dyacc='bison 
/usr/mingw/lib" -Dosname=Windows_NT -Dosvers=5.1 -Dgidtype=long -Duidtype=long 
 -Dextras="Compress::Zlib Bundle::LWP 
DBI" -Dcf_email="" -Dfirstmakefile=GNUmakefile -des

 Under msys all programs in /bin must use the msys-1.0.dll, so the programs 
I compile are put in /usr/local/bin by default. So to recap, like CygWIN, 
msys does rely on its own dll to function, but unlike CygWIN it allows MinGW 
to compile programs that don't rely on it.

I also used to include the define -UWIN32, but now I am focusing on 
producing a that I can use in place of config.gc.

I realize that this is too long because I am bringing up multiple issues 
relating to using Configure in a WIN32 environment in the same thread. 
Unfortunately, I am good enough at juggling multiple parallel ideas in my 
own head that I have a hard time reigning it in sometmes. I assure you, I do 
respect the need to stay on topic in a thead and do have one eye on that 
issue of netiquette. Just respond, please, to whatever part of this thread 
interests you and feel free to ignore the rest. I will not be offended.

Thank you,

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Peacock via RT" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [perl #33948] configure checking echo

> Andy Dougherty wrote:
>> What is 'msys' ?  That might explain the '.exe' suffix.
> msys is the Minimal System for MinGW:
> I haven't had that much luck with it; CygWin is better maintained.  It
> does have the ability to create native Win32 apps that don't have
> dependencies on other libraries.  YMMV
> John
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