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Re: [PATCH 5.8.2 @21574] make tests relocatable

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From:
Michael G Schwern
Date:
November 13, 2003 21:56
Subject:
Re: [PATCH 5.8.2 @21574] make tests relocatable
Message ID:
20031114055607.GB12366@localhost.comcast.net
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 09:32:01PM -0800, Ilya Zakharevich wrote:
> > This uses Config, File::Spec and test.pl
> > which in turn use more modules.  In the end, stat.t loads nine modules 
> > totalling 2381 lines of code (not including all the code in stat.t)
> > This is pretty typical for an op test.
> 
> ..which is a lunacy.  IMO, op tests should not do this.  This makes it
> quite hard to find a minimal environment which manifests the bug.

Welp, we've been doing this for years and they sky is still up, the ground
still down and the tests run ok.  stat.t, for example, has been using 
File::Spec since Dec 2001.  test.pl was introduced shortly after.

Without using things like File::Spec and Config in tests, they can't be
made portable.  Without using things like test.pl we can't write maintainable
tests.  When you test yourself with yourself you run into these interesting
bootstrapping problems.

After nearly two years of use without a serious bootstrapping problem, the 
current practice has proven itself robust.

The best thing that can be done to improve the op tests, from a minimal
environment standpoint, is to break the larger tests (like stat.t) down into 
a number of smaller more focused tests.  This, unfortunately, involves a lot 
of manpower and careful picking apart of the code.


-- 
Michael G Schwern        schwern@pobox.com  http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/
"May you eat three balanced meals a day and have healthful, regular bowel 
movements."
        -- Gimlet, son of Groin, "Bored of the Rings"

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