Re: Introducing Myself and what I wish to achieve

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 hv@crypt.org wrote:

> Shlomi Fish <shlomif@vipe.stud.technion.ac.il> wrote:
> :This message is meant as an introduction, to this mailing list,
> :of me and what I want to do. My name is Shlomi Fish [...]
>
> Pleased to meet you, Shlomi.
>

Likewise!

> :1. Rindolf - Rindolf is a dialect of Perl that is fully backward compatible
> :to Perl 5. A working specification of it can be found here:
> :
> :http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/rindolf/
>
> This series of documents presents a lot of interesting ideas.

Thanks.

> I find this
> line particularly interesting:
>   If Perl 5 is ANSI C, then Perl 6 is going to be something like Java.
>   Rindolf will be C++, and the analogy is perfectly fine.
>
> .. since earlier today I read something surprisingly similar at
> <http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=237910>:
>   > I think the difference between Perl 5 and 6 will much greater than
>   > the difference between C and C++ :)
>   I very much doubt it. More like the difference between pre-ANSI C++
>   and post-ANSI C++.
>
> It would also be worth looking at the rest of that thread, in particular
> for the comparison between a quick reference for perl5 and for perl6.
>

I read it, and still hold my original opinion. And I don't think Perl 5
as a general rule sucks.

> :I'd be very happy if some of Rindolf's features can make it into perl5.
>
> At first glance, I suspect that several of them could be implemented
> by way of modules without needing any changes to the perl core - I would
> strongly recommend taking a look at the implementation of some of the
> modules on CPAN in the Perl6:: namespace.
>

My thoughts exactly. Thanks, I will.

> However I think you may have taken an unfortunate approach to presenting
> your ideas: in your 'Philosophy' section you talk a lot about competition
> between languages, and by talking initially about the creation of a new
> language I suspect many perl5 devotees will see you as just another
> branch of that competition, and may be less inclined to take your ideas
> seriously as a result.
>

If that was the impression you reached, I'll take a look at the document
and see what I can do. Rindolf does not aim to compete with Perl 5.
Instead it is a language that is derived from Perl 5 and is fully
backwards compatible to it. It is by all means Perl.

> :2. Revamping the Perl 5 Man Pages
>
> Patches to improve the documentation are always welcome.
>

Thanks, I neglected them a bit due to working on some essays I am writing
(also out of fun). Hopefully, I'll get to work on it today.

Regards,

	Shlomi Fish

> Hugo
>



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Shlomi Fish        shlomif@vipe.technion.ac.il
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My opinions may seem crazy, but they all make sense. Insane sense, but
sense nonetheless.

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