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Marc Lehmann
September 15, 2000 07:56
Re: unicode support and perl
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On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 09:55:42AM +0100, Simon Cozens <> wrote:
> Tell me *what's* broken, and I'll fix it

Already done (or is perlbug NOT the correct way to submit bug reports

> If you give me test cases, I'm happy

Already done.

> If you just say "it's unusable", there's nothing I or anyone
> else can do about it. :(

<flame>True. However, I do not "just say it's unusable", I also write bug
reports AND sometimes even patches. It's not my fault if bug reports get
ignored in 90% of the cases. If a bug is very easy to fix, or if the bug
report is buggy (happens with my bug reports from time to time) then you
can expect a fix here. If the problem is more basic the bug report tends
to get ignored in this forum, maybe in favour of some flaming... (I watch
perl5-porters for years now and this is not a recent development).

I recently picked 3 of the most problematic bugs and hacked around them
(you replied to one of my patches). These were only the most visible bugs,
and with my workarounds (I don't call them fixes) perl happens to work
most of the time and I can workaround the rest most of the time.

Accusing me of just saying "it's unusable" is the one thing I would have
expected least. At the moment I do more towards fixing it than any of the
real perl hackers around.

There is one thing you/we must face, however, and that is that perl + utf8
is at the moment not usable for any serious project, with things like
substitution or string concatenation not working, among other, more subtle
problems in the perl core.

Mind you, I do *not* demand fixes or some such braindamage I also do
not demand that people who volunteer to work on perl spend more time
for bug reports, or my bug-reports, or on perl at all - I am not a
free-software-beginner myself. But I expect that people are at least
honest and admit that perl+utf8 simply isn't working except for toy cases,
even if it hurts. Ignoring my mails and accusing me of whining around is
decidedly not the right solution. </flame>

PS: I wouldn't have reacted that badly if I didn't happen to invest
considerable amounts of time in debugging and fixing perl AND sending
reports. Being accused of just whining around hurt me very badly, and will
certainly direct my efforts more towards other projects where help is
actually welcome, and more fruitful in the end.

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