Quoting ilya@math.ohio-state.edu: :On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 08:24:29PM -0700, Tom Christiansen wrote: :> Perl is a programming language. Finis. : :Says the same guy who claims that calling shell has no significant :speed penalty, hash access is only 20% slower than lexicals, etc etc etc. : :Yeah, right... And your point is exactly?... How do you define a "programming language"? For me, it's a language I can program whith. Programming meaning laying out instructions and having a Turing machine process them, in a predictable and repeatable way. Up to now: for (my $i = 0; $i < 10; $i++) { print "i = $i\n"; } has never failed to produce its expected output. And that's only one of the numerous programs I've ever been writing in Perl for almost 10 years. ;-) Perl IS a programming language. Period! The mere fact that we even NEED to ARGUE about this is a sure sign that there is a great mis-communication problem between p5p people. Raphael