Re: The history of Perl Poetry

On 26 Apr, 2005, at 15:58, Andrew Savige wrote:

> --- Elaine Ashton wrote:
>> In a culture where you give credit to someone who has an idea for a
>> module and doesn't actually write it
>
> What are you referring to here? TheDavid and Semi::Semicolons?

Not specifically, no, but over the years it's hard to miss the geek 
equivalent to peeing your name in the snow. Certainly not the first.

> Not guilty, your honour. There are 5 links to the excellent

Well, this was pointed out to me and, aside from the labour of love it 
once was, it has become a bit musty. However, putting a link to 
something vs. listing it in the references is quite different as you 
seem to have grasped.

> Is it that you object to the word "cabal" and want it replaced by 
> another
> word, such as "folks"? Please let me know which word you want me to 
> use.

Perhaps it is the sentiment. Cults and the Catholic church have 
cabals..well, and so does perl, but CPAN is not it. Pick a word, but 
pick one that bears the sentiment that is occasionally but reluctantly 
attentive. People are always complaining about some imagined secret 
society that either doesn't do enough to punt bad modules or 
discourages modules or resists change or has a bad web page or 
whatever. Perhaps doing nothing and saying nothing is all it takes to 
be a cabal. :) The closest to such a thing we've ever gotten was what 
was supposed to be a low-key meeting in London a year and a half ago to 
discuss module metadata which received a lot more attention and such 
cabalistic characterizations than was warranted. Those who were there 
were doing stuff of interest with direct application to CPAN, some of 
whom heard about the meeting and asked to come and did. I ruffle at the 
cabal label because it's not cute, because it's not funny and because I 
think that it discourages people who might have something to offer, 
possibly even more than a cranky old bitch like me.

> Having done that, I did find it amusing and extended it to "The Larry",
> "The Schwartz", "The Hall" and so on in other places.

Well, if people want to refer to themselves as such, that's their 
problem. When you do it, in the words of an esteemed old timer who, 
quite sadly, doesn't hang around much anymore, it makes you sound like 
a starfucker/ fanboy whether or not you actually are. These boys have 
more than enough ego already and it doesn't make it very readable for 
those not part of the cult of personality and hep to all the "The"s. I 
have nicknames for most, too...some of them are not printable. :)

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