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Phillip Moore
April 18, 2017 14:26
Re: MQSeries
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Apologies for the delay on getting back to everyone....   I was out of the
country on vacation, and ignoring anything and everything remotely related
to work.

I heard back from the engineering team that owns the MQSeries module, and
they have brought someone pretty senior into the team, and they have a plan
to address the backlog of issues (both internal and external) in the coming
months.   The address should work again, as they
re-enabled the internal mail group it was directed to.

Can you try to reach out to them again, and reboot the conversation?

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 8:02 AM, David Golden <>

> Make sure MS understands it's not a transfer of copyright, it's just
> authorizing someone new to ship big fixes to CPAN.
> On Mar 27, 2017 6:04 AM, "Neil Bowers" <> wrote:
>> Hi Phil,
>> Thanks for your reply and honest appraisal of the situation.
>> This is very sad, and as the original author of the code, I would like to
>> apologize on behalf of those who have inherited in from me.   Except that I
>> have *NO* idea who that is.   I wrote and owned this code from 1998 to
>> 2002.   Hildo also left the project and Morgan Stanley a few years later,
>> and the engineering team that manages the MQSeries infrastructure Hildo and
>> I designed and deployed are the ones responsible for the CPAN distro now.
>> That team *was* pretty good, but they entire team quit or changed projects
>> in 2012, which explains the final release date.
>> Now, I am going to be characteristically blunt here: all the good
>> engineers are gone from that team, and I don't think they are giving ANY
>> priority to maintaining the CPAN distribution, because none of them have
>> any clue how.    If you have the skills and the interest in taking this
>> over, I would be more than happy to help broker getting the ownership
>> transferred.
>> If you can help us get approval from “the right place in Morgan Stanley”,
>> that would be great.
>>  If push comes to shove, I am pretty sure that if Hildo and I endorsed
>> it, the CPAN maintainers would make the change.
>> I should have made clear in my first response — I am one of the PAUSE
>> admins.
>> […] Now, I honestly think that the team in question is so deep underwater
>> with everything we created (that infrastructure and the management
>> application we built are perhaps the most successful work of my career, and
>> they still use it), that they will most likely be thrilled to give this up.
>> Anyway, if it is not obvious, please keep this discussion entirely
>> confidential for now.
>> Just so you’re aware, the PAUSE admins mailing list (
>> has been copied on these emails. There is a public archive of these emails,
>> but it’s not likely that people will stumble on those archives. If you want
>> to continue this discussion off that list, just let us know.
>> I am putting the priorities of the open source community before those of
>> my employers here, and so taking a bit of political risk by doing so.    I
>> am, for lack of clearly better judgment, working at MS again right now, so
>> I would appreciate you NOT sharing this discussion publicly until it is
>> appropriate to do so.   This is also why I am in the perfect spot to broker
>> the ownership change.
>> I appreciate you doing this.
>> reach out to Golden, and inquire about the process here, as I don't think
>> you will ever see another release if we don't, so I will bring him into
>> this discussion as well.   Please give me about a week to get the internal
>> feedback on this.
>> Since the code is copyright Morgan Stanley, and was last released from a
>> Morgan Stanley account, we’ll need some approval from MS to hand over
>> maintenance. If you can get approval and forward it to us, I can then give
>> co-maint to Thorsten on all of the MQSeries modules. This doesn’t need a
>> formal signature, but once you’ve spoken to the right person in MS, you
>> could send an email to us and cc that person, with a simple email along the
>> lines of:
>> Dear PAUSE Admins,
>> I’ve spoken to XX at Morgan Stanley, who is happy for co-maint
>> permissions to be granted to Thorsten Hirsch on the MQSeries distribution.
>> I’ve copied XX on this email.
>> Phil
>> Given Thorsten’s recent email, it will hopefully be relatively easy to
>> make a good case for this, as it’s going to result in active maintenance
>> and bug fixing (I notice there’s at least one patch from Thorsten in the RT
>> bug queue for the dist). They’re clearly dependent on this module in
>> production, and have a good CPAN pedigree.
>> Let me know if there’s anything else I can do to help.
>> Cheers,
>> Neil

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