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Copyright 1998-2022 perl.org Sat, 03 Dec 2022 11:30:37 +0000 ask@perl.org Re: Perl Jobs mailing list missing most jobs on website by David Precious On Mon, 2 Apr 2018 00:11:40 -0700 <br/>Ask Bj&oslash;rn Hansen &lt;ask@develooper.com&gt; wrote: <br/> <br/>&gt; &gt; On Mar 23, 2018, at 12:44 AM, Darren Duncan <br/>&gt; &gt; &lt;darren@DarrenDuncan.net&gt; wrote: <br/>&gt; &gt; <br/>&gt; &gt; I just noticed that the jobs@perl.org mailing list is only getting <br/>&gt; &gt; a small fraction of the Perl jobs that appear at <br/>&gt; &gt; https://jobs.perl.org rather than the same list which I would have <br/>&gt; &gt; expected. <br/>[...] <br/>&gt; The mailing list is sorta useless anyway, I&rsquo;d think, since the jobs <br/>&gt; are unfiltered (other than the above) which is why I haven&rsquo;t <br/>&gt; prioritized fixing the semi-manual step without &ldquo;fixing it <br/>&gt; properly&rdquo; (and look how far that&rsquo;s gotten me in ~17 years!). <br/> <br/>Surely there&#39;s some decent value in the list so people who want to keep <br/>up to date on new positions can just subscribe and have them turn up? <br/>If the list can only be posted to by certain addresses, so doesn&#39;t get <br/>loads of spam, and mails from jobs.perl.org are generated when posts <br/>are approved, it would be useful and spam-free, no? <br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2018/05/msg1754.html Thu, 03 May 2018 20:56:29 +0000 Re: Perl Jobs mailing list missing most jobs on website by Ask Bjørn Hansen <br/> <br/>&gt; On Mar 23, 2018, at 12:44 AM, Darren Duncan &lt;darren@DarrenDuncan.net&gt; wrote: <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; I just noticed that the jobs@perl.org mailing list is only getting a small fraction of the Perl jobs that appear at https://jobs.perl.org rather than the same list which I would have expected. <br/> <br/>Hi Darren, <br/> <br/>If I remember right then there&rsquo;s some logic to not email the jobs if/when they are recent reposts. Also spam filters etc, including mine (there&rsquo;s a semi-manual step to the emails). <br/> <br/>The mailing list is sorta useless anyway, I&rsquo;d think, since the jobs are unfiltered (other than the above) which is why I haven&rsquo;t prioritized fixing the semi-manual step without &ldquo;fixing it properly&rdquo; (and look how far that&rsquo;s gotten me in ~17 years!). <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/>Ask <br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2018/04/msg1753.html Mon, 02 Apr 2018 07:12:16 +0000 Perl Jobs mailing list missing most jobs on website by Darren Duncan I just noticed that the jobs@perl.org mailing list is only getting a small <br/>fraction of the Perl jobs that appear at https://jobs.perl.org rather than the <br/>same list which I would have expected.<br/><br/>I know its not just my mailbox, which whitelists this anyway, <br/>https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs/ is missing them too.<br/><br/>This seems to be fundamentally broken, making the mailing list partly useless, <br/>and requiring one to look at the website regularly.<br/><br/>Compare the ones for March, 2018, particularly.<br/><br/>Anyone know what&#39;s going on here?<br/><br/>I don&#39;t recall how far back the problem went, just that it affects the current <br/>month, as now is mainly when I&#39;m looking at it in recent history.<br/><br/>Thank you.<br/><br/>-- Darren Duncan<br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2018/03/msg1752.html Fri, 23 Mar 2018 07:48:20 +0000 Seeking Perl work by Uri Guttman Hi all,<br/><br/>As some of you may know, I created the original Perl jobs list and <br/>managed it for some time. It later on morphed into the website we all <br/>have used successfuly many times. I am available for Perl work in the <br/>Boston area, remotely or a mix of on/off site. We used to allow postings <br/>seeking jobs but for some reason, that isn&#39;t working now (possibly <br/>filtered or not from the website). I am sending this to both the discuss <br/>list (which is small) and the main list. Hopefully this will be posted <br/>on the main list. Given all the jobs filled by this list, I am asking <br/>for help in return to land a good Perl job.<br/><br/>Thanx,<br/><br/>Uri<br/><br/><br/><br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2016/12/msg1751.html Thu, 01 Dec 2016 19:51:52 +0000 Re: is posting looking for work still alowed? by Uri Guttman On 04/24/2016 12:16 AM, Darren Duncan wrote:<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; As I recall the purpose of the Perl Jobs list has always been for <br/>&gt; people who have money to spend by hiring other people to do Perl work.<br/>&gt;<br/>that is incorrect. i started the original jobs lists and there was one <br/>list for looking for work and another offering jobs. later that migrated <br/>to jobs@perl.org and both were allowed there but offering work was much <br/>more common. then the web site was created and it only offered ways to <br/>offer work and direct emails to the list were very rare after that. <br/>which is why seeking work posts aren&#39;t seen anymore.<br/>&gt; It doesn&#39;t make sense for the list to be for posts by people looking <br/>&gt; to earn money doing Perl work. If that were allowed, there would be <br/>&gt; an avalanche of posts that would effectively spam the list. Most <br/>&gt; subscribers are looking for work presumably and won&#39;t benefit from <br/>&gt; being spammed by others doing likewise.<br/>that is why i originally made two lists. but knowing who is looking <br/>could help people hiring too. maybe someone doesn&#39;t apply to a job lead <br/>but does post they are seeking work. someone at that firm that had the <br/>lead could contact the seeker if they thought there would be a good <br/>match. matching can happen in both directions so allowing job seekers on <br/>the list makes sense.<br/><br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; On the other hand, perhaps you are talking about a middle ground where <br/>&gt; you are advertising your services to help list subscribers find work <br/>&gt; that lets them earn money. If so, then I would say this should be <br/>&gt; allowed, though such posts should be infrequent, say once per month <br/>&gt; per person/company offering that.<br/><br/>when i have leads to post, i just use the web site as others do and i <br/>see them. i sent an email to the jobs@perl.org list and i haven&#39;t seen <br/>it approved or why it wasn&#39;t approved.<br/><br/>thanx,<br/><br/>uri<br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2016/04/msg1750.html Sun, 24 Apr 2016 05:38:18 +0000 Re: is posting looking for work still alowed? by Darren Duncan On 2016-04-23 8:11 PM, Uri Guttman wrote:<br/>&gt; hi all,<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; i sent an email to the perl jobs list looking for work and in the most recent<br/>&gt; batch sent out, i didn&#39;t see my email. is that still allowed or what? there used<br/>&gt; to be some number of job seeking posts but the web site doesn&#39;t support that so<br/>&gt; you had to send an email directly to the list as i did. i am not even sure this<br/>&gt; jobs discuss list is still alive so consider this a test of that as well.<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; thanx,<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; uri<br/><br/>As I recall the purpose of the Perl Jobs list has always been for people who <br/>have money to spend by hiring other people to do Perl work.<br/><br/>It doesn&#39;t make sense for the list to be for posts by people looking to earn <br/>money doing Perl work. If that were allowed, there would be an avalanche of <br/>posts that would effectively spam the list. Most subscribers are looking for <br/>work presumably and won&#39;t benefit from being spammed by others doing likewise.<br/><br/>On the other hand, perhaps you are talking about a middle ground where you are <br/>advertising your services to help list subscribers find work that lets them earn <br/>money. If so, then I would say this should be allowed, though such posts should <br/>be infrequent, say once per month per person/company offering that.<br/><br/>-- Darren Duncan<br/><br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2016/04/msg1749.html Sun, 24 Apr 2016 04:16:43 +0000 is posting looking for work still alowed? by Uri Guttman hi all,<br/><br/>i sent an email to the perl jobs list looking for work and in the most <br/>recent batch sent out, i didn&#39;t see my email. is that still allowed or <br/>what? there used to be some number of job seeking posts but the web site <br/>doesn&#39;t support that so you had to send an email directly to the list as <br/>i did. i am not even sure this jobs discuss list is still alive so <br/>consider this a test of that as well.<br/><br/>thanx,<br/><br/>uri<br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2016/04/msg1748.html Sun, 24 Apr 2016 03:10:29 +0000 Re: redundant telecommute posts by Uri Guttman On 08/13/2014 01:58 PM, Ask Bj&oslash;rn Hansen wrote:<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; On Aug 13, 2014, at 2:24, Uri Guttman &lt;uri@StemSystems.com&gt; wrote:<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt;&gt; do they have an office in columbus? the reason i see is just to get<br/>&gt;&gt; more posts out for the same job listing. there is a rule about not<br/>&gt;&gt; repeating job posts too often and this skirts the rule.<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; It&#39;s a grey area and we do our best to keep it balanced. We don&#39;t<br/>&gt; have rules as much as just &quot;does this seem right?&quot;. I agree that<br/>&gt; those repeated postings maybe were a bit much, but ShutterStock have<br/>&gt; been posting for a long time and have a good track record of using<br/>&gt; the site responsibly, as it were.<br/><br/>that is ok if they don&#39;t overload too often. this was 6 posts at the <br/>same time to different cities.<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; Most of the noise, in my opinion, are from recruiters in particular<br/>&gt; in London and New York.<br/><br/>i gather eligo is the london one but they do post different jobs so that <br/>is ok by me. i haven&#39;t tracked if they repost too often.<br/><br/>thanx,<br/><br/>uri<br/><br/><br/>-- <br/>Uri Guttman - The Perl Hunter<br/>The Best Perl Jobs, The Best Perl Hackers<br/>http://PerlHunter.com<br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2014/08/msg1747.html Thu, 14 Aug 2014 02:03:51 +0000 Re: redundant telecommute posts by Ask Bjørn Hansen <br/>On Aug 13, 2014, at 2:24, Uri Guttman &lt;uri@StemSystems.com&gt; wrote: <br/> <br/>&gt; do they have an office in columbus? the reason i see is just to get more posts out for the same job listing. there is a rule about not repeating job posts too often and this skirts the rule. <br/> <br/>It&#39;s a grey area and we do our best to keep it balanced. We don&#39;t have rules as much as just &quot;does this seem right?&quot;. I agree that those repeated postings maybe were a bit much, but ShutterStock have been posting for a long time and have a good track record of using the site responsibly, as it were. <br/> <br/>Most of the noise, in my opinion, are from recruiters in particular in London and New York. <br/> <br/> <br/>Ask <br/> <br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2014/08/msg1746.html Wed, 13 Aug 2014 17:58:32 +0000 Re: redundant telecommute posts by Ryan Yagatich My vote is once and only once<br/><br/><br/>On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 5:32 AM, Jonathan Hogue &lt;jon.hogue@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br/><br/>&gt; &gt; do they have an office in columbus?<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; Not yet. We&#39;re close. When they get enough people in the same city,<br/>&gt; they tend to open an office. (As they did in San Francisco, Denver,<br/>&gt; Berlin). There are 3 right now.<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; They are reasonable people. I&#39;m sure they&#39;ll post differently if the<br/>&gt; list wants them to. But also, the separate listings aren&#39;t without<br/>&gt; merit. They are targeting those cities specifically, and they list the<br/>&gt; jobs on their site and other job boards the same way.<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; But seriously, if the consensus is that the list doesn&#39;t want them to<br/>&gt; do that, I&#39;d be happy to bring it up.<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 5:24 AM, Uri Guttman &lt;uri@stemsystems.com&gt; wrote:<br/>&gt; &gt; On 08/13/2014 05:05 AM, Jonathan Hogue wrote:<br/>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br/>&gt; &gt;&gt; A remote contractor out of columbus for shutterstock here.<br/>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br/>&gt; &gt;&gt; Those are probably cities where they have remote workers already, and<br/>&gt; &gt;&gt; they are specifically targeting more.<br/>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br/>&gt; &gt;&gt; I know for me, its easier to talk to local peers if it says Columbus in<br/>&gt; &gt;&gt; the job description. Whether it&#39;s appropriate for this list is another<br/>&gt; &gt;&gt; question.<br/>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br/>&gt; &gt;&gt; But not a pure recruiter spam tactic. There is some reason behind it.<br/>&gt; &gt;<br/>&gt; &gt;<br/>&gt; &gt; do they have an office in columbus? the reason i see is just to get more<br/>&gt; &gt; posts out for the same job listing. there is a rule about not repeating<br/>&gt; job<br/>&gt; &gt; posts too often and this skirts the rule. they could list every city in<br/>&gt; the<br/>&gt; &gt; country and post dozens of times each day. in this current batch of<br/>&gt; posts,<br/>&gt; &gt; they sent in 6 for the same job. not only is it redundant, it can crowd<br/>&gt; out<br/>&gt; &gt; other single job postings.<br/>&gt; &gt;<br/>&gt; &gt;<br/>&gt; &gt; thanx,<br/>&gt; &gt;<br/>&gt; &gt; uri<br/>&gt; &gt;<br/>&gt; &gt; --<br/>&gt; &gt; Uri Guttman - The Perl Hunter<br/>&gt; &gt; The Best Perl Jobs, The Best Perl Hackers<br/>&gt; &gt; http://PerlHunter.com<br/>&gt;<br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2014/08/msg1745.html Wed, 13 Aug 2014 12:11:58 +0000 Re: redundant telecommute posts by Jonathan Hogue &gt; do they have an office in columbus?<br/><br/>Not yet. We&#39;re close. When they get enough people in the same city,<br/>they tend to open an office. (As they did in San Francisco, Denver,<br/>Berlin). There are 3 right now.<br/><br/>They are reasonable people. I&#39;m sure they&#39;ll post differently if the<br/>list wants them to. But also, the separate listings aren&#39;t without<br/>merit. They are targeting those cities specifically, and they list the<br/>jobs on their site and other job boards the same way.<br/><br/>But seriously, if the consensus is that the list doesn&#39;t want them to<br/>do that, I&#39;d be happy to bring it up.<br/><br/>On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 5:24 AM, Uri Guttman &lt;uri@stemsystems.com&gt; wrote:<br/>&gt; On 08/13/2014 05:05 AM, Jonathan Hogue wrote:<br/>&gt;&gt;<br/>&gt;&gt; A remote contractor out of columbus for shutterstock here.<br/>&gt;&gt;<br/>&gt;&gt; Those are probably cities where they have remote workers already, and<br/>&gt;&gt; they are specifically targeting more.<br/>&gt;&gt;<br/>&gt;&gt; I know for me, its easier to talk to local peers if it says Columbus in<br/>&gt;&gt; the job description. Whether it&#39;s appropriate for this list is another<br/>&gt;&gt; question.<br/>&gt;&gt;<br/>&gt;&gt; But not a pure recruiter spam tactic. There is some reason behind it.<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; do they have an office in columbus? the reason i see is just to get more<br/>&gt; posts out for the same job listing. there is a rule about not repeating job<br/>&gt; posts too often and this skirts the rule. they could list every city in the<br/>&gt; country and post dozens of times each day. in this current batch of posts,<br/>&gt; they sent in 6 for the same job. not only is it redundant, it can crowd out<br/>&gt; other single job postings.<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; thanx,<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; uri<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; --<br/>&gt; Uri Guttman - The Perl Hunter<br/>&gt; The Best Perl Jobs, The Best Perl Hackers<br/>&gt; http://PerlHunter.com<br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2014/08/msg1744.html Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:33:19 +0000 Re: redundant telecommute posts by Uri Guttman On 08/13/2014 05:05 AM, Jonathan Hogue wrote:<br/>&gt; A remote contractor out of columbus for shutterstock here.<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; Those are probably cities where they have remote workers already, and<br/>&gt; they are specifically targeting more.<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; I know for me, its easier to talk to local peers if it says Columbus in<br/>&gt; the job description. Whether it&#39;s appropriate for this list is another<br/>&gt; question.<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; But not a pure recruiter spam tactic. There is some reason behind it.<br/><br/>do they have an office in columbus? the reason i see is just to get more <br/>posts out for the same job listing. there is a rule about not repeating <br/>job posts too often and this skirts the rule. they could list every city <br/>in the country and post dozens of times each day. in this current batch <br/>of posts, they sent in 6 for the same job. not only is it redundant, it <br/>can crowd out other single job postings.<br/><br/>thanx,<br/><br/>uri<br/><br/>-- <br/>Uri Guttman - The Perl Hunter<br/>The Best Perl Jobs, The Best Perl Hackers<br/>http://PerlHunter.com<br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2014/08/msg1743.html Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:25:02 +0000 Re: redundant telecommute posts by Jonathan Hogue A remote contractor out of columbus for shutterstock here.<br/><br/>Those are probably cities where they have remote workers already, and they<br/>are specifically targeting more.<br/><br/>I know for me, its easier to talk to local peers if it says Columbus in the<br/>job description. Whether it&#39;s appropriate for this list is another question.<br/><br/>But not a pure recruiter spam tactic. There is some reason behind it.<br/><br/>On Wednesday, August 13, 2014, Darren Duncan &lt;darren@darrenduncan.net&gt;<br/>wrote:<br/><br/>&gt; That behavior does seem strange considering that the location field is<br/>&gt; freeform, its not like they have to specify a city, so I&#39;d wonder why they<br/>&gt; don&#39;t just post once and day &quot;anywhere in X large area&quot; that they allow. --<br/>&gt; Darren Duncan<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; On 2014-08-12, 9:24 PM, Uri Guttman wrote:<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt;&gt; hi all,<br/>&gt;&gt;<br/>&gt;&gt; this may not be important but shutterstock is posting many times with the<br/>&gt;&gt; same<br/>&gt;&gt; job in different cities but they are all telecommute. it feels like a way<br/>&gt;&gt; around<br/>&gt;&gt; the restriction on posting the same job too often. does it really matter<br/>&gt;&gt; that<br/>&gt;&gt; the job is listed in many different cities if they all telecommute to the<br/>&gt;&gt; office<br/>&gt;&gt; in nyc? any thoughts on this? i know the main hr person there and i could<br/>&gt;&gt; write<br/>&gt;&gt; to him and ask to stop this reposting.<br/>&gt;&gt;<br/>&gt;&gt; thanx,<br/>&gt;&gt;<br/>&gt;&gt; uri<br/>&gt;&gt;<br/>&gt;&gt;<br/>&gt;<br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2014/08/msg1742.html Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:05:59 +0000 Re: redundant telecommute posts by Darren Duncan That behavior does seem strange considering that the location field is freeform, <br/>its not like they have to specify a city, so I&#39;d wonder why they don&#39;t just post <br/>once and day &quot;anywhere in X large area&quot; that they allow. -- Darren Duncan<br/><br/>On 2014-08-12, 9:24 PM, Uri Guttman wrote:<br/>&gt; hi all,<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; this may not be important but shutterstock is posting many times with the same<br/>&gt; job in different cities but they are all telecommute. it feels like a way around<br/>&gt; the restriction on posting the same job too often. does it really matter that<br/>&gt; the job is listed in many different cities if they all telecommute to the office<br/>&gt; in nyc? any thoughts on this? i know the main hr person there and i could write<br/>&gt; to him and ask to stop this reposting.<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; thanx,<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; uri<br/>&gt;<br/><br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2014/08/msg1741.html Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:25:42 +0000 Re: redundant telecommute posts by Gergely Buday Hi,<br/><br/>is there no moderator for the jobs list?<br/><br/>- Gergely<br/><br/>On 13 August 2014 06:24, Uri Guttman &lt;uri@stemsystems.com&gt; wrote:<br/>&gt; hi all,<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; this may not be important but shutterstock is posting many times with the<br/>&gt; same job in different cities but they are all telecommute. it feels like a<br/>&gt; way around the restriction on posting the same job too often. does it really<br/>&gt; matter that the job is listed in many different cities if they all<br/>&gt; telecommute to the office in nyc? any thoughts on this? i know the main hr<br/>&gt; person there and i could write to him and ask to stop this reposting.<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; thanx,<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; uri<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; --<br/>&gt; Uri Guttman - The Perl Hunter<br/>&gt; The Best Perl Jobs, The Best Perl Hackers<br/>&gt; http://PerlHunter.com<br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2014/08/msg1740.html Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:05:53 +0000 redundant telecommute posts by Uri Guttman hi all,<br/><br/>this may not be important but shutterstock is posting many times with <br/>the same job in different cities but they are all telecommute. it feels <br/>like a way around the restriction on posting the same job too often. <br/>does it really matter that the job is listed in many different cities if <br/>they all telecommute to the office in nyc? any thoughts on this? i know <br/>the main hr person there and i could write to him and ask to stop this <br/>reposting.<br/><br/>thanx,<br/><br/>uri<br/><br/>-- <br/>Uri Guttman - The Perl Hunter<br/>The Best Perl Jobs, The Best Perl Hackers<br/>http://PerlHunter.com<br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2014/08/msg1739.html Wed, 13 Aug 2014 04:24:53 +0000 Re: Job postings back to 2008 levels by brian d foy [[ This message was both posted and mailed: see<br/> the &quot;To,&quot; &quot;Cc,&quot; and &quot;Newsgroups&quot; headers for details. ]]<br/><br/>In article &lt;4EE1F3F4-5430-4290-9888-76A9DCA63757@perl.org&gt;, Ask Bj&oslash;rn<br/>Hansen &lt;ask@perl.org&gt; wrote:<br/><br/>&gt; In March the jobs site had more postings than any month since June 2008.<br/><br/>How did you count? <br/><br/>If I look at perl.jobs and work through all the messages from<br/>jobs-admin@perl.org counting unique IDs in the URL to the job posting,<br/>2012 looks worse than 2011 (83 to 96 in March). This is still true if I<br/>count messages from jobs-admin@perl.org without caring about the URLs<br/>(114 to 120 in March). <br/><br/>Counting either of these ways, 2012 has so far lagged behind 2011 in<br/>all months, and 13 months since January 2009 have had higher numbers<br/>than March 2012.<br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2012/04/msg1738.html Thu, 05 Apr 2012 00:50:47 +0000 Re: Job postings back to 2008 levels by Uri Guttman On 04/04/2012 11:27 AM, David Kaufman wrote:<br/>&gt; Hi Andy,<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; On 4/3/2012 8:08 AM, Andy Lester wrote:<br/>&gt;&gt; * Do you have a feel for the types of things that they&#39;re looking for?<br/>&gt;&gt; For example, &quot;Back in 2008, it seemed like everyone wanted X, but now<br/>&gt;&gt; they want Y&quot;<br/>&gt;&gt;<br/>&gt;&gt; * Besides the numbers of jobs posted, what has the trend in number of<br/>&gt;&gt; visitors to the site been?<br/>&gt;&gt;<br/>&gt;&gt; Thanks,<br/>&gt;&gt; xoxo,<br/>&gt;&gt; Andy<br/>&gt;&gt;<br/>&gt;&gt; --<br/>&gt;&gt; Andy Lester =&gt; andy@petdance.com &lt;mailto:andy@petdance.com&gt; =&gt;<br/>&gt;&gt; www.petdance.com &lt;http://www.petdance.com&gt; =&gt; AIM:petdance<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; I&#39;d also be interested to see if the numbers showed whether it&#39;s just my<br/>&gt; (mis)perception, or if there really are a heck of a lot more<br/>&gt; telecommuting positions being offered.<br/><br/>there are more telecommute jobs than before due to the higher demand. <br/>some companies are widening their net to find better perl hackers. but i <br/>have seen cases where they hire a remote worker and pressure them to <br/>move. one candidate of mine quit over that. also some places say they <br/>want remote workers but renege or have much higher priority on local <br/>workers (even one shop which allows local workers to work from home 2-3 <br/>days a week!). finally, some places will start to allow remote coders <br/>but don&#39;t have the experience in doing so and it requires a different <br/>management mindset and such to do it well. so joining such a firm may be <br/>a bad idea until they learn how to handle remote coders well.<br/><br/>one other major contributor to the demand for remote workers is the real <br/>estate market and related factors. developers are not wanting to move <br/>for work due to underwater mortgages, life/family issues, relocation <br/>costs (some shops have boosted relocation benefits for this reason), etc.<br/><br/>so be warned and be prepared if you are entering the telecommute market. <br/>i plan to write a longer essay on this in the near future.<br/><br/>uri<br/><br/><br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2012/04/msg1737.html Wed, 04 Apr 2012 08:50:05 +0000 Re: Job postings back to 2008 levels by David Kaufman Hi Andy,<br/><br/>On 4/3/2012 8:08 AM, Andy Lester wrote:<br/>&gt; * Do you have a feel for the types of things that they&#39;re looking for?<br/>&gt; For example, &quot;Back in 2008, it seemed like everyone wanted X, but now<br/>&gt; they want Y&quot;<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; * Besides the numbers of jobs posted, what has the trend in number of<br/>&gt; visitors to the site been?<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; Thanks,<br/>&gt; xoxo,<br/>&gt; Andy<br/>&gt;<br/>&gt; --<br/>&gt; Andy Lester =&gt; andy@petdance.com &lt;mailto:andy@petdance.com&gt; =&gt;<br/>&gt; www.petdance.com &lt;http://www.petdance.com&gt; =&gt; AIM:petdance<br/><br/>I&#39;d also be interested to see if the numbers showed whether it&#39;s just my <br/>(mis)perception, or if there really are a heck of a lot more <br/>telecommuting positions being offered.<br/><br/>-dave<br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2012/04/msg1736.html Wed, 04 Apr 2012 08:27:56 +0000 Re: Job postings back to 2008 levels by Andy Lester <br/>On Apr 3, 2012, at 12:20 AM, Ask Bj&oslash;rn Hansen wrote: <br/> <br/>&gt; In March the jobs site had more postings than any month since June 2008. <br/> <br/> <br/>Or how about this: I put on my Perlbuzz reporter hat and get information that I can write up. <br/> <br/>* How many postings did we have for March? Do you have history? Is it cyclical over time? How bad has it been in the past? <br/> <br/>* Can you attribute this number of postings to anything? <br/> <br/>* Do you have a feel for the types of things that they&#39;re looking for? For example, &quot;Back in 2008, it seemed like everyone wanted X, but now they want Y&quot; <br/> <br/>* Besides the numbers of jobs posted, what has the trend in number of visitors to the site been? <br/> <br/>Thanks, <br/>xoxo, <br/>Andy <br/> <br/>-- <br/>Andy Lester =&gt; andy@petdance.com =&gt; www.petdance.com =&gt; AIM:petdance <br/> <br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2012/04/msg1735.html Tue, 03 Apr 2012 05:08:49 +0000 Re: Job postings back to 2008 levels by Andy Lester <br/>On Apr 3, 2012, at 12:20 AM, Ask Bj&oslash;rn Hansen wrote: <br/> <br/>&gt; In March the jobs site had more postings than any month since June 2008. <br/> <br/> <br/>Can you please tweet or blog that so I can point to it from Perlbuzz etc? <br/> <br/>xoa <br/> <br/>-- <br/>Andy Lester =&gt; andy@petdance.com =&gt; www.petdance.com =&gt; AIM:petdance <br/> <br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2012/04/msg1734.html Mon, 02 Apr 2012 22:22:06 +0000 Job postings back to 2008 levels by Ask Bjørn Hansen In March the jobs site had more postings than any month since June 2008.<br/><br/><br/>Ask<br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2012/04/msg1733.html Mon, 02 Apr 2012 22:20:34 +0000 Re: [Perl Jobs] Junior Perl Developer (onsite), New York, NY, USA by Chisel Hi Rudolf,<br/><br/>I&#39;m an employee at NET-A-PORTER. I&#39;ve been asked to forward the response <br/>from our head of recruitment, which I&#39;ve pasted in full below.<br/><br/>I&#39;ll also post this to the london.pm thread that was started earlier today.<br/><br/><br/>Regards,<br/><br/>Chisel<br/><br/>---- cut here ----<br/><br/>/Hi Rudolf, /<br/><br/>/I&acirc;&#128;&#153;m James and I head up the recruitment team for the NET-A-PORTER Group <br/>of businesses; I&acirc;&#128;&#153;d like to start by apologizing for this situation. I <br/>truly understand how frustrating and isolating the interview process can <br/>be: we try to stay in close contact with all candidates interviewing for <br/>roles within our organization, wherever possible we try to avoid using <br/>third party recruiters, as so often our message becomes occluded and <br/>things inevitably get &acirc;&#128;&#152;lost in translation&acirc;&#128;&#153;. I am very disappointed <br/>that much of what the recruiter has told you is incorrect; I would <br/>welcome the opportunity to speak with you directly to try to resolve <br/>this situation//. I will also be speaking to the Recruitment Agency <br/>separately about this.///<br/><br/>/For everyone else that has contributed to the discussion please <br/>understand that whilst we do partner with third party recruiters from <br/>time to time we have little or no control over what individual agents <br/>might purportedly say on our behalf, which is why we always encourage <br/>you to speak to members of our team directly &acirc;&#128;&#147; many of our developers <br/>are active within the community. We are deeply committed to the <br/>on-going development of Perl; both internally and within the wider <br/>community//. You can find out more, or reach our recruitment team <br/>directly, <br/>via//_www.net-a-porter.com/careers_/&lt;http://www.net-a-porter.com/careers&gt;//<br/><br/>Many thanks,<br/><br/>James<br/><br/>/James Hudson/<br/><br/>*/Global Recruitment Manager/*//<br/><br/>*//*<br/><br/>/NET-A-PORTER LTD/<br/><br/>/1 The Village Offices///<br/><br/>/Westfield London Shopping Centre///<br/><br/>/Ariel Way///<br/><br/>/London///<br/><br/>/W12 7GF///<br/><br/>/(T) +44 0203 471 4589///<br/><br/>/(M) +44 7884 250 784/<br/><br/>---- cut here ----<br/><br/>-- <br/>Chisel Wright<br/>Perl Architect<br/>Software Architecture Team<br/><br/>NET-A-PORTER<br/>1 The Village Offices<br/>Westfield London Shopping Centre<br/>Ariel Way<br/>London<br/>W12 7GF<br/><br/>Office: 020 3471 4500<br/>Direct: 020 3471 4804 / ext 4804<br/>Web: www.net-a-porter.com<br/><br/><br/>NET-A-PORTER.COM <br/>Irresistible fashion at your fingertips<br/><br/><br/><br/>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE<br/>The information in this email is confidential and is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not read, use or disseminate the information. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Net A Porter Group Limited. <br/><br/>The Net A Porter Group Limited is a company registered in England &amp; Wales Number: 3820604 Registered Office: 1 The Village Offices, Westfield, Ariel Way, London, W12 7GF<br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2011/12/msg1732.html Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:48:30 +0000 Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Junior Perl Developer (onsite), New York, NY, USA by Rudolf Lippan Hello, <br/> <br/>You might want to review this posting. <br/> <br/>Over the past six weeks, I&#39;ve been going through the interview/hiring process with NET-A-PORTER. An offer was extended, pending final signature, last week to lead their US development team, but they pulled out after attempting to renegotiate an agreed upon salary. NET-A-PORTER informed the recruiting company that they were pulling out of the US market for at least a year on Tuesday (6 Dec.) I emailed both companies yesterday (7 Dec.) regarding my understanding of the situation, and I just got off the phone with the recruiting company and they informed me that the same thing happened to the two other Perl programmers assembled for the team. NET-A-PORTER has not yet responded; and, based on the conversation I just had, I don&#39;t expect it. If anyone has any questions, the recruiting company offered to discuss any direct inquiries regarding this situation. <br/> <br/>I will be writing up a more detailed outline about my experience with NET-A-PORTER and post that to the london.pm list, but figured this should be looked into before anyone else gets suckered. <br/> <br/>-r <br/> <br/>On Wednesday, December 07, 2011 at 01:37:55 PM, Perl Jobs wrote: <br/>&gt; Online URL for this job: http://jobs.perl.org/job/14442 <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; To subscribe to this list, send mail to jobs-subscribe@perl.org. <br/>&gt; To unsubscribe, send mail to jobs-unsubscribe@perl.org. <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; Posted: December 7, 2011 <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; Job title: Junior Perl Developer <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; Company name: NET-A-PORTER <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; Internal ID: Junior Perl Developer - New Jersey <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; Location: New York, NY, USA <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; Pay rate: Competitve with excellent benefits <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; Terms of employment: Salaried employee <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; Hours: Full time <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; Onsite: yes <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; Description: <br/>&gt; Junior Perl Developer <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; What we have to offer is unique; you will be joining a truly Agile team <br/>&gt; embedded within the business; this is an opportunity to establish a close <br/>&gt; relationship with our product owners and users and make a real difference <br/>&gt; in a fast-paced pure-play retail environment. <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; Our leading edge infrastructure allows us to deliver value to our business <br/>&gt; every iteration, which means you will immediately be able to contribute and <br/>&gt; make an positive impact to our business. <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; Our success means we are looking for the best software developers to take <br/>&gt; our platform and product forward. In return you will be exposed to the <br/>&gt; latest technologies, frameworks &amp; methodologies in application development. <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; NET-A-PORTER.COM launched in June 2000 and has since successfully <br/>&gt; established itself as the world&acirc;&#128;&#153;s premier luxury online fashion retailer. <br/>&gt; With its acclaimed editorial format, express worldwide shipping to 170 <br/>&gt; countries, luxurious packaging and easy returns, NET-A-PORTER offers an <br/>&gt; unparalleled shopping experience. NET-A-PORTER.COM is the flagship brand <br/>&gt; from the NET-A-PORTER group which comprises theOutnet.com, the most <br/>&gt; fashionable fashion outlet, and MRPORTER.COM, the global men&#39;s style <br/>&gt; destination. <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; &quot;Net-a-porter has revolutionized the way we buy designer clothes.&quot; Vogue UK <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; ________________________________________ <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; The Role: <br/>&gt; &acirc;&#128;&cent; Develop to a high standard, ensuring work is well-planned, <br/>&gt; estimated, tested, and documented <br/>&gt; &acirc;&#128;&cent; Work closely with other team members and the Business Analysis, <br/>&gt; Project <br/>&gt; Management, QA and Technical Operations teams <br/>&gt; &acirc;&#128;&cent; Develop a good understanding of business requirements <br/>&gt; &acirc;&#128;&cent; Write technical specs <br/>&gt; &acirc;&#128;&cent; Work within an agile team to plan improvements to systems <br/>&gt; &acirc;&#128;&cent; Review other team member&acirc;&#128;&#153;s work <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; Required skills: <br/>&gt; Essential Skills: <br/>&gt; &acirc;&#128;&cent; Able to produce high-quality web applications <br/>&gt; &acirc;&#128;&cent; Able to develop web-based user interfaces (HTML, CSS) &amp; APIs (JSON <br/>&gt; &amp; XML) <br/>&gt; &acirc;&#128;&cent; Knowledge of a modern scripting language and framework, such as <br/>&gt; Perl, PHP, Python or Ruby <br/>&gt; o We use Perl but you&acirc;&#128;&#153;ll be given time to learn (it&acirc;&#128;&#153;s easy) <br/>&gt; &acirc;&#128;&cent; Experience building and testing high-availability applications <br/>&gt; &acirc;&#128;&cent; A good understanding of: <br/>&gt; o Linux conventions <br/>&gt; o Testing frameworks <br/>&gt; o Refactoring <br/>&gt; o SQL (ideally Postgres / MySQL) <br/>&gt; o Version Control Systems (SVN, SVK, P4, VSS, Git etc) <br/>&gt; o Apache/FCGI &amp; mod_perl <br/>&gt; &acirc;&#128;&cent; Believes in common code ownership <br/>&gt; &acirc;&#128;&cent; Exposure to: <br/>&gt; o AJAX &amp; Javascript, &amp; JS frameworks (jQuery, YUI) <br/>&gt; o Agile development methodologies <br/>&gt; o Message queues (ideally ActiveMQ) <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; We are looking for candidates that: <br/>&gt; &acirc;&#128;&cent; Are passionate about software development <br/>&gt; &acirc;&#128;&cent; Are good communicators with good writing skills <br/>&gt; &acirc;&#128;&cent; Have a healthy dose of common sense and initiative <br/>&gt; &acirc;&#128;&cent; Have a great sense of humor and attitude <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; Location: <br/>&gt; Mahwah, NJ <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; To Apply: <br/>&gt; Please follow this link http://tinyurl.com/4ywcew4 <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; NO RECRUITMENT AGENCIES PLEASE <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; Website for more information: <br/>&gt; http://www.net-a-porter.com/?cm_mmc=MSNUK-_-Branded-_-Net-A-Porter-_-Net-A- <br/>&gt; Porter&amp;bbcid=2625 <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; Contact information at: <br/>&gt; http://jobs.perl.org/job/14442#contact <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; <br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2011/12/msg1731.html Thu, 08 Dec 2011 12:01:15 +0000 City searches on jobs.perl.org by Ask Bjørn Hansen Hi everyone, <br/> <br/>Since earlier today you can now do a proper geospatial search for jobs: <br/> <br/> http://jobs.perl.org/search?location=los+angeles <br/> <br/>Not all of the current postings on the site have been geo coded, but they should expire over the next couple of weeks anyway. :-) All new postings are required to be geocoded if they have a location. <br/> <br/>(If you are an employer posting, just editing the job will get your listing geocoded, too). <br/> <br/> <br/> - ask <br/> <br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2011/09/msg1730.html Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:14:34 +0000 Google +1 buttons by Ask Bjørn Hansen There have been a gazillion[1] small behind the scenes updates to the jobs site in the last year. <br/> <br/>I made a small one just now that&#39;s more user visible, adding a Google +1 button. Not sure what if any use it&#39;ll be, but if you start clicking on them we&#39;ll find out. :-) <br/> <br/> http://jobs.perl.org/ <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> - ask <br/> <br/>[1] Ok, 150 or so. https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2011/08/msg1729.html Mon, 22 Aug 2011 06:49:36 +0000 post approval delays by Uri Guttman <br/>hi,<br/><br/>i have 2 new job posts dating june 3 and it is now june 7 and they still<br/>haven&#39;t been approved. is there any way we can make the approval process<br/>work more effectively? is there a need for more people who can approve<br/>posts? i used to have that role many years ago (if you don&#39;t recall, i<br/>started the original jobs list and was a moderator for years). i am not<br/>in any current capacity with the current setup due to what some would<br/>perceive as a conflict with my perl hunter agency so i can&#39;t help out<br/>myself.<br/><br/>any thoughts?<br/><br/>uri<br/><br/>-- <br/>Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.sysarch.com --<br/>----- Perl Code Review , Architecture, Development, Training, Support ------<br/>--------- Gourmet Hot Cocoa Mix ---- http://bestfriendscocoa.com ---------<br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2011/06/msg1728.html Tue, 07 Jun 2011 10:50:00 +0000 phising anyone? by Uri Guttman <br/>hi,<br/><br/>i was connecting with a new candidate when he told me he checked me out<br/>to see if perlhunter.com was legit. it more suprised me than anything<br/>else. he checked out my site, googled me a bit, etc. even after we<br/>talked he emailed to my cpan address to verify i was that cpan ID. he<br/>said he had been phished by some on the jobs list who were just<br/>collecting resumes. has anyone else seen this on the list? that would be<br/>some agency types who ask you for your resume under false pretenses. how<br/>can you tell it happened vs a negative result (no reply)?<br/><br/>thanx,<br/><br/>uri<br/><br/>-- <br/>Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.sysarch.com --<br/>----- Perl Code Review , Architecture, Development, Training, Support ------<br/>--------- Gourmet Hot Cocoa Mix ---- http://bestfriendscocoa.com ---------<br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2011/06/msg1727.html Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:52:54 +0000 Re: Are foreign perl programmers needed in US? by Ask Bjørn Hansen <br/>On Dec 30, 2010, at 1:10, Lev Leontiev wrote: <br/> <br/>&gt; Is it possible to get a job and sponsorship remotely or I have to come <br/>&gt; to US first? <br/> <br/> <br/>Most of the time jobs are found via personal connections and recommendations. I think this would be particularly true if you are looking for someone to invest the time, risk and money on going through the visa process with you or hiring you to work remotely many timezones away. <br/> <br/>So: Step one is to build a reputation for being nice, productive and fun to work with. This could be tele-commute work (full time or contract work) or participation in open source projects related to things you&#39;d like to do as paid work. <br/> <br/> <br/> - ask https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2010/12/msg1726.html Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:54:16 +0000 Re: Are foreign perl programmers needed in US? by Gabor Szabo Hi Lev, <br/> <br/>On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Lev Leontiev &lt;maravan@gmail.com&gt; wrote: <br/>&gt; Hi everybody. <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; I have an idea to move to US from Russia <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; Can you please tell me, &nbsp;if is it possible now to get a job and h1b <br/>&gt; sponsorship being a &nbsp; perl developer with 5 year experience? <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; Is it possible to get a job and sponsorship remotely or I have to come <br/>&gt; to US first? <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; Some of my US friends say that there is a recession and unemployment <br/>&gt; in industry, others say that industry is rising again. <br/>&gt; <br/> <br/>I am not in the US but I am subscribed to some of the local Perl <br/>Monger groups there. <br/>Recent discussions on some of the lists indicate that at least in some <br/>areas of the USA <br/>the hi-tech job market is expanding and companies find it hard to find <br/>good developers. <br/>Not only in Perl but in Perl as well. This of course does not mean any <br/>of these companies <br/>would be ready to go for the trouble hiring from overseas or training <br/>their own people or <br/>even raising the offered salaries. <br/>I guess there are relatively few companies that would sponsor your visa. <br/> <br/>We also know that there are companies in the EU that are looking for <br/>good Perl developers. <br/>I don&#39;t know what about visa and work permit issues there but I know <br/>for example that both Booking.com in Amsterdam and 123People in Vienna <br/>are looking <br/>for developers. <br/> <br/>regards <br/> Gabor <br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2010/12/msg1725.html Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:29:34 +0000 Re: Are foreign perl programmers needed in US? by Uri Guttman &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;LL&quot; == Lev Leontiev &lt;maravan@gmail.com&gt; writes:<br/><br/> LL&gt; I know the mechanics, my question is: do such companies exist?<br/><br/>of course they exist, that is why h1b visas exist. the problem is<br/>finding a company with job openings that can sponsor an h1b. and the<br/>bigger problem is the annual quota limits on h1b, when they get issued<br/>and how fast they run out.<br/><br/>uri<br/><br/>-- <br/>Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.sysarch.com --<br/>----- Perl Code Review , Architecture, Development, Training, Support ------<br/>--------- Gourmet Hot Cocoa Mix ---- http://bestfriendscocoa.com ---------<br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2010/12/msg1724.html Thu, 30 Dec 2010 03:11:04 +0000 Re: Are foreign perl programmers needed in US? by Lev Leontiev Thank you, Uri <br/> <br/>I know the mechanics, my question is: do such companies exist? <br/> <br/>On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Uri Guttman &lt;uri@stemsystems.com&gt; wrote: <br/>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;LL&quot; == Lev Leontiev &lt;maravan@gmail.com&gt; writes: <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; &nbsp;LL&gt; I have an idea to move to US from Russia <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; &nbsp;LL&gt; Can you please tell me, if is it possible now to get a job and h1b <br/>&gt; &nbsp;LL&gt; sponsorship being a perl developer with 5 year experience? <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; &nbsp;LL&gt; Is it possible to get a job and sponsorship remotely or I have to come <br/>&gt; &nbsp;LL&gt; to US first? <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; h1b visas come from companies that are hiring. so it all depends on the <br/>&gt; company if it wants to sponsor h1b&#39;s. also there is a limited number of <br/>&gt; them and they go quickly. there may not be any new h1b&#39;s issued until <br/>&gt; next year. <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; &nbsp;LL&gt; Some of my US friends say that there is a recession and unemployment <br/>&gt; &nbsp;LL&gt; in industry, others say that industry is rising again. <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; there is a steady demand for quality perl programmers. the main reason <br/>&gt; is that most good perl coders are working so there is a somewhat low <br/>&gt; supply. but again, the issue you have is finding a company to sponsor <br/>&gt; you and they need to get an h1b for this to happen. <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; uri <br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; -- <br/>&gt; Uri Guttman &nbsp;------ &nbsp;uri@stemsystems.com &nbsp;-------- &nbsp;http://www.sysarch.com -- <br/>&gt; ----- &nbsp;Perl Code Review , Architecture, Development, Training, Support ------ <br/>&gt; --------- &nbsp;Gourmet Hot Cocoa Mix &nbsp;---- &nbsp;http://bestfriendscocoa.com --------- <br/>&gt; <br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2010/12/msg1723.html Thu, 30 Dec 2010 02:38:08 +0000 Re: Are foreign perl programmers needed in US? by Uri Guttman &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;LL&quot; == Lev Leontiev &lt;maravan@gmail.com&gt; writes:<br/><br/> LL&gt; I have an idea to move to US from Russia<br/><br/> LL&gt; Can you please tell me, if is it possible now to get a job and h1b<br/> LL&gt; sponsorship being a perl developer with 5 year experience?<br/><br/> LL&gt; Is it possible to get a job and sponsorship remotely or I have to come<br/> LL&gt; to US first?<br/><br/>h1b visas come from companies that are hiring. so it all depends on the<br/>company if it wants to sponsor h1b&#39;s. also there is a limited number of<br/>them and they go quickly. there may not be any new h1b&#39;s issued until<br/>next year.<br/><br/> LL&gt; Some of my US friends say that there is a recession and unemployment<br/> LL&gt; in industry, others say that industry is rising again.<br/><br/>there is a steady demand for quality perl programmers. the main reason<br/>is that most good perl coders are working so there is a somewhat low<br/>supply. but again, the issue you have is finding a company to sponsor<br/>you and they need to get an h1b for this to happen.<br/><br/>uri<br/><br/>-- <br/>Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.sysarch.com --<br/>----- Perl Code Review , Architecture, Development, Training, Support ------<br/>--------- Gourmet Hot Cocoa Mix ---- http://bestfriendscocoa.com ---------<br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2010/12/msg1722.html Thu, 30 Dec 2010 01:32:00 +0000 Are foreign perl programmers needed in US? by Lev Leontiev Hi everybody.<br/><br/>I have an idea to move to US from Russia<br/><br/>Can you please tell me, if is it possible now to get a job and h1b<br/>sponsorship being a perl developer with 5 year experience?<br/><br/>Is it possible to get a job and sponsorship remotely or I have to come<br/>to US first?<br/><br/>Some of my US friends say that there is a recession and unemployment<br/>in industry, others say that industry is rising again.<br/><br/><br/>Sincerely yours, Lev.<br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2010/12/msg1721.html Thu, 30 Dec 2010 01:10:37 +0000 Re: Singapore jobs - culture and similarity? by Greg Sabino Mullane <br/>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br/>Hash: RIPEMD160<br/><br/><br/>Ask points out:<br/><br/>&gt; In the US some of those are illegal actually, rather than just inappropriate.<br/><br/>The original posting did give me pause due to the picture requirement, <br/>but because the job was in Singapore, I approved it. I would not have <br/>had it been for a US job. All in all, I lean towards approval over <br/>non-approval as an employed Perl hacker makes the world a better <br/>place than a non-employed Perl hacker. :)<br/><br/>&gt; [1] As a sidenote we don&#39;t read them in great detail actually; just <br/>&gt; scan for it looking like a real job and that it is a Perl job <br/>&gt; (&quot;we know it when we see it&quot;)).<br/><br/>Yep. There is a suprising number of non-Perl jobs that try to get <br/>through, mostly recruiters blasting their latest Java job to every <br/>job-related email they can find.<br/><br/>- -- <br/>Greg Sabino Mullane greg@turnstep.com<br/>PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201012281248<br/>http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8<br/>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br/><br/>iEYEAREDAAYFAk0aIwAACgkQvJuQZxSWSsggNQCg9/Rh0E3quGmRMcliMpBTpYpz<br/>37cAoJcfsInqVV4TaOHLTwXFYs8ZtHCZ<br/>=Rsn+<br/>-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br/><br/><br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2010/12/msg1720.html Tue, 28 Dec 2010 09:49:17 +0000 RE: Singapore jobs - culture and similarity? by Ryan Yagatich I&#39;ve come across this during recruiting from a few other countries as well. It&#39;s standard practice in some locations to incorporate photos, father&#39;s job and other details in which we may not request from US applicants. <br/> <br/>-----Original Message----- <br/>From: Darren Duncan [mailto:darren@darrenduncan.net] <br/>Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 11:44 PM <br/>To: jobs-discuss@perl.org <br/>Subject: Singapore jobs - culture and similarity? <br/> <br/>Hello, <br/> <br/>I&#39;ve noticed during the last couple weeks two job postings ... <br/> <br/>1. http://jobs.perl.org/job/13380 <br/> <br/>2. http://jobs.perl.org/job/8974 <br/> <br/>... and am wondering if any of you have experience concerning such. <br/> <br/>For example, the above 2 have a number of similarities but talk like they are <br/>unrelated. <br/> <br/>Also, how appropriate is it to be asking an applicant for their photo, which <br/>both of these do? <br/> <br/>Maybe its a different culture thing with Singapore, but as far as I know in <br/>North America it is inappropriate to be asking for a photo with an application, <br/>same as it is inappropriate to ask questions on one&#39;s family status or religion <br/>or politics etc in a job interview. <br/> <br/>Do or have any of you worked for a Singapore company and do you have any <br/>thoughts concerning these postings? <br/> <br/>-- Darren Duncan <br/> <br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2010/12/msg1719.html Tue, 28 Dec 2010 07:23:40 +0000 Job opportunity in Budapest by Varga Veronika &yuml;&Oslash;&yuml;&agrave;&#0;&#16;JFIF&#0;&#1;&#1;&#1;&#0;`&#0;`&#0;&#0;&yuml;&Ucirc;&#0;C&#0;<br/>&#7;&#7;&#8;&#7;&#6;<br/>&#8;&#8;&#8;&#11;<br/><br/>&#11;&#14;&#24;&#16;&#14; 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https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2010/12/msg1718.html Tue, 28 Dec 2010 06:15:20 +0000 Re: Singapore jobs - culture and similarity? by Darren Duncan Ask Bj&oslash;rn Hansen wrote:<br/>&gt; On Dec 27, 2010, at 20:44, Darren Duncan wrote:<br/>&gt;&gt; Maybe its a different culture thing with Singapore, but as far as I know in<br/>&gt;&gt; North America it is inappropriate to be asking for a photo with an<br/>&gt;&gt; application, same as it is inappropriate to ask questions on one&#39;s family<br/>&gt;&gt; status or religion or politics etc in a job interview.<br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; In the US some of those are illegal actually, rather than just inappropriate.<br/>&gt; <br/>&gt; Some general notes as one of the volunteer moderators of the postings:<br/>&lt;snip&gt;<br/><br/>Ask, thanks for your response.<br/><br/>I just want to be up front and clarify that I&#39;m not questioning whether the job <br/>postings should have been allowed to be posted, or anything like that. As far <br/>as a reading goes, they do indeed seem appropriate for postings. You&#39;re doing a <br/>good job and I&#39;m not suggesting anything different.<br/><br/>And so, the photo thing was actually a minor part of my question.<br/><br/>What I really wanted to know was whether anyone on this list had any experience <br/>with Singapore companies, or what people&#39;s opinions were as to whether the two <br/>job postings I linked to were from the same company or not.<br/><br/>Ignoring the photo thing, the desired skills descriptions and email addresses <br/>and so on, as well as the timing and other details, suggests to me that these <br/>might be from the same person, though other details suggest not.<br/><br/>-- Darren Duncan<br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2010/12/msg1717.html Mon, 27 Dec 2010 21:22:20 +0000 Re: Singapore jobs - culture and similarity? by Ask Bjørn Hansen <br/>On Dec 27, 2010, at 20:44, Darren Duncan wrote: <br/> <br/>&gt; Maybe its a different culture thing with Singapore, but as far as I know in North America it is inappropriate to be asking for a photo with an application, same as it is inappropriate to ask questions on one&#39;s family status or religion or politics etc in a job interview. <br/> <br/>In the US some of those are illegal actually, rather than just inappropriate. <br/> <br/>Some general notes as one of the volunteer moderators of the postings: <br/> <br/>Unless we&#39;re alerted to something being illegal or particularly inappropriate we don&#39;t and can&#39;t filter on things like that when posting jobs to the site because it&#39;s basically impossible for us to know the culture and law all over the world. While we could reject things that just seem wrong to us[1]; it&#39;d merely just make the poster slightly adjust the posting; but be unlikely to adjust their corporate (or national/cultural!) attitude so it seems like a better service to have the jobs go through as posted. <br/> <br/>As examples everyone will understand: We wouldn&#39;t want to correct &quot;PERL&quot; to &quot;Perl&quot;. When someone posts something that&#39;s clearly a PHP job (but with some reference to Perl) and we reject it for not being a Perl job they&#39;ll often just move a sentence around so Perl is listed first. Does that really change the job? No. Is the posting now more correct? Who knows. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> - ask <br/> <br/>[1] As a sidenote we don&#39;t read them in great detail actually; just scan for it looking like a real job and that it is a Perl job (&quot;we know it when we see it&quot;)). <br/> <br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2010/12/msg1716.html Mon, 27 Dec 2010 20:54:04 +0000 Singapore jobs - culture and similarity? by Darren Duncan Hello,<br/><br/>I&#39;ve noticed during the last couple weeks two job postings ...<br/><br/>1. http://jobs.perl.org/job/13380<br/><br/>2. http://jobs.perl.org/job/8974<br/><br/>... and am wondering if any of you have experience concerning such.<br/><br/>For example, the above 2 have a number of similarities but talk like they are <br/>unrelated.<br/><br/>Also, how appropriate is it to be asking an applicant for their photo, which <br/>both of these do?<br/><br/>Maybe its a different culture thing with Singapore, but as far as I know in <br/>North America it is inappropriate to be asking for a photo with an application, <br/>same as it is inappropriate to ask questions on one&#39;s family status or religion <br/>or politics etc in a job interview.<br/><br/>Do or have any of you worked for a Singapore company and do you have any <br/>thoughts concerning these postings?<br/><br/>-- Darren Duncan<br/> https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.jobs.discuss/2010/12/msg1715.html Mon, 27 Dec 2010 20:44:22 +0000